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NASA's Controversial Gravity Shield Experiment Fails to Produce
space.com ^ | 10 Oct 01 | Jack Lucentini

Posted on 10/10/2001 12:45:11 PM PDT by RightWhale

NASA's Controversial Gravity Shield Experiment Fails to Produce

By Jack Lucentini

Special to SPACE.com posted: 11:50 am ET

10 October 2001

After a second round of tests, NASA researchers have failed to detect signs that a machine can weaken gravity’s pull.

But they plan to continue the research – shocking some mainstream physicists, who call it junk science.

The researchers say a device that loosens the clutch of gravity, sometimes called a gravity shield, may be the only way to enable human spacecraft to blast off to other star systems.

But the research lies on the fringe of accepted science. Some of its own proponents admit it flies against virtually every established law of physics.

Other scientists go further.

"Good heavens. This is incredible," said Robert L. Park, director of the Washington, D.C. office of the American Physical Society, upon learning that the NASA researchers haven’t given up. "I mean, every physicist I know – and they must have some on the staff there – has told me how absurd this research was."

The space agency has spent about five years and at least $600,000 on the project.

In a paper presented at the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics’ Joint Propulsion Research Conference in Salt Lake City in July, the researchers called their latest tests "inconclusive."

The experiments utilized a device made from a superconductor, a ceramic in which, at certain temperatures, electric current can flow utterly freely.

The study was inspired by the work in the early 1990s of a Russian scientist, Eugene Podkletnov. He claimed to have measured a weakening of Earth’s gravity by 2 percent near a specialized superconductor spinning in a magnetic field.

"Our objective was to design, construct and implement a discriminating experiment which would put these observations on a more firm footing," said the NASA paper. "No conclusion at this time can be made."

The researchers said several factors had hampered the experiment. One was that the balance, for measuring mass, didn’t work at very low temperatures.

It’s worth trying again with an improved setup, said the NASA paper, whose lead author was Glen A. Robertson, research scientist at the agency’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. It was at least the second time the agency has tried but failed to replicate Podkletnov’s results.

The researchers didn’t return phone calls early this week. But Randall Peters, a consultant to the project and a physics professor with Mercer University, Macon, Ga., said in an interview that the effort is "worthwhile," despite the difficulties.

David Drachlis, a spokesman for the NASA center, added that the project continues.

What has dogged the research, experts say, is that Podkletnov failed to adequately document his findings. Podkletnov declined to comment for this article.

"Antigravity" research has provoked debate for years.

The idea violates a bedrock principle of physics – conservation of energy – that says you can’t create energy from nothing. It defies this edict because it implies you could lift something without spending the necessary "price" in energy normally required. Then, by dropping it, you could give it an energy boost equaling the full "regular" price.

Yet several considerations make the concept intriguing to some.

First is a rather striking apparent coincidence: Podkletnov’s findings appeared to match phenomena earlier predicted independently by a University of Alabama at Huntsville scientist, Ning Li.

Second, many renowned physicists believe nature has an underlying unity, by which all its forces are fundamentally connected.

This means electromagnetism and gravity are somehow linked. The "gravity shield" could conceivably operate at the bridge between the two forces, interacting with both.

The NASA group suggested the link is a recently discovered, exotic form of energy, "zero-point fluctuations." This consists of minute particles that flicker in and out of existence in what we normally think of as empty space.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electrogravitics; podkletnov
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To: Gordian Blade
"Like Cold Fusion, the supposed gravity shield experiments depend on measurement
of very small quantities in the presence of a lot of experimental error."

Cold fusion makes considerable heat output; up to >1000watts/cm3.

That power density has increased continuously since 1989.

You might peddle your inaccurate facts to Taliban Bob Park.

41 posted on 10/10/2001 1:58:08 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
Sorry to tell you, but Cold Fusion is an illusion.
42 posted on 10/10/2001 1:58:31 PM PDT by Gordian Blade
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To: Diogenesis
... but not cold fusion which has been confirmed by US Navy Labs and US national labs.

You've gotta provide a source for that claim, I'm afraid.

43 posted on 10/10/2001 2:00:27 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: SERE_DOC
"As opposed to the Vorlons, I suppose."

That was supposed to remain a secret, well don't be surprized if your neighbors cat gets vaporized!

Paging Ambassador Kosh. Please come to the white courtesy vidphone.

44 posted on 10/10/2001 2:00:45 PM PDT by testforecho
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To: Gordian Blade
Given that I trust the US Navy, and US labs more than you,

you might either read the literature or go back under your rock.

45 posted on 10/10/2001 2:01:18 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: imd102
How else do you explain the UFO's in my backyard at night?

Bob Lazar knows how it works.

46 posted on 10/10/2001 2:04:34 PM PDT by SirAllen
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To: RightWhale
Disband NASA. Either give it something useful to do or shut it down. NASA has no reason to continue.

Expand NASA. Give them a lot more money because they are one of the few government agencies who do something useful.

47 posted on 10/10/2001 2:04:50 PM PDT by jgorris
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To: imd102
I thought that you said that those were black helicopters in your backyard at night.
48 posted on 10/10/2001 2:06:27 PM PDT by Redcloak
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To: longshadow
This reminds me of the over unity crowd. See this site:

http://www.padrak.com/ine/ISNE3A.html

49 posted on 10/10/2001 2:06:36 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: dead
"It’s worth trying again with an improved setup, said the NASA paper."
A time machine would be much more useful and no more impossible.
All this money could be much better spent on invisibility lotions.

ALL we need is "Mo Money..."

50 posted on 10/10/2001 2:07:03 PM PDT by hoot2
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To: Earl B.
mankind is completely stranded on Earth (or at least in our solar sytem),

And furthermore, earth is not a friendly place with these wannabe predators [terrorists] preying on the sheep [us]. It's a temporary misconception people have from time to time when they prey on other people, that some are predators and others prey, but these prey are not in sheep mode any longer. They are wolves, but we are wolves, too, wolves in sheeps' clothing. After this infestation is taken care of, we will get back to worrying about extending our civilization to the interstellar realms.

We don't actually need faster than light travel or antigravity to extend our borders out to, say, the nearest 50 stars, a few light years. Plus, there is progress in that instantaneous communicator device, apparently a real phenomenon --quantum entanglement-- real science.

51 posted on 10/10/2001 2:09:58 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Diogenesis
you might either read the literature or go back under your rock.

ROTFLMAO!!!! D-man, I think you'd better read the man's resume, and then apologize.

52 posted on 10/10/2001 2:10:16 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: RadioAstronomer
I should have added to my post #49: JUNK SCIENCE!!!!
53 posted on 10/10/2001 2:11:43 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: jgorris
Expand NASA

That is the other side of the argument. They could be given a serious mission, such as building a moon base or a manned station orbiting Mars. If they had that, I say double, even triple their funding level. But the odds are against this happening anytime soon.

54 posted on 10/10/2001 2:13:34 PM PDT by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
Scene: Somewhere in Spain 1492 Man from the future: Mr. Colombus, I can load your whole entourage on a 747 and fly them to the New World is a few hours. Mr. Columbus: You're freaking crazy that goes against all known science!
55 posted on 10/10/2001 2:13:46 PM PDT by skateman
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To: RightWhale
Last time NASA messed with gravity by landing men on the moon, it messed up the weather down here.

P.S. I'm kidding.

57 posted on 10/10/2001 2:18:51 PM PDT by lds23
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To: RightWhale
Last time NASA messed with gravity by landing men on the moon, it messed up the weather down here.

P.S. I'm kidding.

58 posted on 10/10/2001 2:19:07 PM PDT by lds23
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To: Paradox
When there is any posibility it will work, they have to try it. The Russians caim to have gotten some results. It would be easy to write the whole thing off as nonsense, but on the one in a million chance that it will work they have to try.

No burocrat will take the risk that some whacko living in the Mojave Desert might build himself a working flying suacer while they are playing with big rockets. Very bad for the career.

59 posted on 10/10/2001 2:19:08 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: Diogenesis
I personally know a first-rate researcher who was tasked with determining the validity (or not) of Cold Fusion claims at a well-known and respected laboratory. He found absolutely nothing after spending considerable time and resources. He gave me a brief review of the claims and his work, and I'm convinced he is right. Most (by far) mainstream physicists agree with his side of the argument.

Now if you're talking about controlled fusion using lasers etc., that's another topic and in line with accepted knowledge of nuclear reactions. I'm talking about "Cold Fusion in a Jar" as first proposed by Martin Fleischmann and Stanley Pons.

If you want to read more about this, try the following link:

Scientific American Comments

And let's keep the personal stuff like crawling under rocks out of it, OK? This is just a scientific discussion.

60 posted on 10/10/2001 2:22:21 PM PDT by Gordian Blade
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