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1 posted on 10/10/2001 7:07:31 AM PDT by veronica
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HEADS UP.
2 posted on 10/10/2001 7:08:29 AM PDT by veronica
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To: veronica
In short, radical Islamism is a violent, heretical and politicized perversion of Islam -- in exactly the same way that Communism and Nazism were violent, heretical and politicized perversions of enlightened Christian democratic humanism in the West.

Boy, am I sick of reading nonsense like this. The socialists who promoted the strains of socialism that we call Nazism and Communism were not Christians; they were atheists. Furthermore, there is no such thing as radical Islam, or perversions of Islam. There is simply Islam itself. Compare:

Jesus:

The Gospel according to
St. Matthew
Chapter 5
The Holy Bible
King James Version 2000

Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:

but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain.

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Mohammed:

Medina Suras
The Chapter of Women
[Chapters from the Koran]
The Harvard Classics 1909–14

But if there befalls you grace from God, he would say—as though there were no friendship between you and him—‘O would that I had been with thee to attain this mighty happiness!’ Let those then fight in God’s way who sell this life of the world for the next; and whoso fights in God’s way, then, be he killed or be he victorious, we will give him a mighty hire.

What ails you that ye do not fight in God’s way, and for the weak men and women and children, who say, ‘Lord, bring us out of this town 19 of oppressive folk, and make for us from Thee a patron, and make for us from Thee a help?’

Those who believe fight in the way of God; and those who disbelieve fight in the way of Tâghût; fight ye then against the friends of Satan, verily, Satan’s tricks are weak.

Do ye not see those to whom it is said, ‘Restrain your hands, and be steadfast in prayer and give alms;’ and when it is prescribed for them to fight then a band of them fear men, as though it were the fear of God or a still stronger fear, and they say, ‘O our Lord! why hast thou prescribed for us to fight, couldst thou not let us abide till our near appointed time?’ Say, ‘The enjoyment of this world is but slight, and the next is better for him who fears;’—but they shall not be wronged a straw.

...

Why are ye two parties about the hypocrites, when God hath overturned them for what they earned? Do ye wish to guide those whom God hath led astray? Whoso God hath led astray ye shall not surely find for him a path. They would fain that ye misbelieve as they misbelieve, that ye might be alike; take ye not patrons from among them until they too flee in God’s way; but if they turn their backs, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them, and take from them neither patron nor help,—save those who reach a people betwixt whom and you is an alliance—or who come to you while their bosoms prevent them from fighting you or fighting their own people. But had God pleased He would have given you dominion over them, and they would surely have fought you. But if they retire from you and do not fight you, and offer you peace,—then God hath given you no way against them.

Ye will find others who seek for quarter from you, and quarter from their own people; whenever they return to sedition they shall be overturned therein: but if they retire not from you, nor offer you peace, nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them wheresoever ye find them;—over these we have made for you manifest power.


5 posted on 10/10/2001 7:16:47 AM PDT by SlickWillard
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Finally, this:
radical Islamism does not derive solely from Islam. It has Western as well as Islamic roots. Indeed, it has been well-described by one commentator as the "bastard child" of Islamic fundamentalism and neo-Marxist Western scholarship. Its Islamic roots are in the puritanical Wahabi sect that set out to purify Islam more than a century ago in what is now Saudi Arabia and that is spread today throughout the Islamic world by financial subsidies from wealthy Saudi believers.

Its Western elements rest upon the theory ( first conceived by the English Liberal economist, Hobson, popularized by Lenin in Imperialism-the Highest Stage of Capitalism, and refined in the 1950s and 1960s into the theories of neo-colonialism and "comprador capitalism") that the wealth and power of the West are based upon its robbery and exploitation of the Third World.

No economic historian believes in this nonsense any more -- it is amply refuted by the fact that the Western colonial powers such as Britain and France actually became much richer after giving up their colonies -- but it is preached by radical Islamist mullahs from Dearborn to Dubai. In this context it justifies overthrowing the corrupt client governments that help the West to rob Muslim believers, such as the Saudi regime, in order to usher in a new age of Islamic independence and prosperity. And that is plainly Osama bin Laden's main aim in the terrorist war he has launched.

In short, radical Islamism is a violent, heretical and politicized perversion of Islam -- in exactly the same way that Communism and Nazism were violent, heretical and politicized perversions of enlightened Christian democratic humanism in the West.

Stalin knew this and used the symmetry of centralized power over the masses, that of socialism's and that of a religion's tragic potential, to nurture and employ fascism ... by which such "powers" coerce people.

He did it to foster unrest throughout the OIL-"Arab"-Muslim-"world." To thwart the West.

If anybody would care to look it up, the training of terrorists on this planet, has almost exclusively been the work of socialist operations intent on producing obedient fascists.

We are at war against fascism and the socialism which supports it, regardless of the flag, or religion, or "in the name of peace" -movement banners it flies < - > socialism is a religion of "the left."

Well, some "leaders" of some religions' are socialists, whether they look like it ["in uniform"] or not.

8 posted on 10/10/2001 8:10:35 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: veronica

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9 posted on 10/10/2001 8:13:12 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: veronica
Just look how Bin Laden uses the organization of terrorist cells. Old communist tactic....
10 posted on 10/10/2001 8:56:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: veronica; MadIvan
Thank you, Veronica -- H/U Ives
11 posted on 10/10/2001 9:45:09 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: veronica
Thanks for posting this, Veronica. It is what is known as heresy, pure and simple. All heresies try to pass themeselves off as the purer form of whatever idea they glom onto but what they end up doing is perverting it until it is unrecognizable. Osama and his boys are monstrous in their religious perversion. Note that that dude Atta, in his will, said he was doing this 'in the name of Allah, my family, and myself.' I don't know how you can get more heretical than that - 'in the name of ... MYSELF'? What trash!
17 posted on 10/10/2001 10:46:54 AM PDT by The Kitten
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To: veronica
-- in exactly the same way that Communism and Nazism were violent, heretical and politicized perversions of enlightened Christian democratic humanism in the West.

That is a cheap shot at Christianity. Communism was born in humanistic Atheism and Nazism was born in humanistic pantheism and Darwinism. The Bible does not support either the Communist or Nazi political beliefs. Unfortunately for Islamic moderates, the Qu'ran seems to support the ideas of radical Islam.

18 posted on 10/10/2001 10:50:12 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: veronica
Worth thinking about:

In short, radical Islamism is a violent, heretical and politicized perversion of Islam -- in exactly the same way that Communism and Nazism were violent, heretical and politicized perversions of enlightened Christian democratic humanism in the West.

21 posted on 10/10/2001 11:32:04 AM PDT by GOPJ
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To: veronica
I really hate this kind of cr*p. How long do you think it's going to take until somebody comes up with "Radical Judaism is...". The Post knows better.
25 posted on 10/10/2001 11:49:50 AM PDT by Pipers
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To: veronica
An interesting analysis, but I think it would be better to attack the Internationalist aspect of Radical Islam. Like the Communists and the Anarchists--who were so active in attacking all Government in the West a Century ago--the Islamic radicals show no respect for National borders or National institutions. In this they represent a threat to all Political Societies, including other Moslem Political Societies. In this, they are like Medieval Outlaws, and should be treated as such.

It is one thing to advance an idea. It is quite another to wage war on the institutions that other men adopt for their own purposes and uses.

Of course, I admit that my desire to focus on the "Internationalist" aspect of the present enemy is not without consideration of other long term objectives. The Left has always looked beyond immediate confrontations for long term ways of undermining our heritage. We should also frame each battle in a long term context.

William Flax Return Of The Gods Web Site

33 posted on 10/10/2001 2:38:27 PM PDT by Ohioan
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40 posted on 10/10/2001 4:48:07 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: veronica
Bump.
49 posted on 02/02/2002 11:07:11 AM PST by First_Salute
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To: veronica
"Islam is a peaceful and tolerant religion..."

Except whenever its principles are put into practice.

50 posted on 08/29/2004 7:12:43 AM PDT by rickmichaels
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2001 thread on Islamic marxism


53 posted on 02/11/2005 3:34:32 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (The enemy within, will be found in the "Communist Manifesto 1963", you are living it today.)
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