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Giuliani told no to longer transition... (Goodbye Unity, Hello Partisanship)
Drudge Report ^ | Tue Oct 09 2001 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 10/09/2001 4:29:14 PM PDT by Texaggie79

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To: Independent Lady
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rudy backed off very funny!
41 posted on 10/09/2001 6:38:00 PM PDT by linn37
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To: Texaggie79
BS! I don't care what end of the political spectrum you are on, if you had done as spectacular job as Rudy, I would support your extension. Not just for the sake of it, but in order to help out NY.

Please list what Rudy "has done" on this thread. Also, please point out what he has done and can do in the future that no one else can.

Do you REALLY think that the incumbent will be able to effectively pick up where Rudy leaves off in a month? This has nothing to do with politics, but the democrats are making it such.

No, Republicans that want to avoid the rule of law are making this about politics. The law is clear. I don't think that Rudy's term should be extended any more than I think that Morial should get a third term as New Orleans' Mayor.

Circumstances, even tragic, do not trump the rule of law.

42 posted on 10/09/2001 6:59:32 PM PDT by TexRef
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To: Texaggie79
I'm sure your reaction would have been the same if Clinton had tried for a 3rd term. Sure it would. Either you believe in the law or you don't. If you think Rudy should get an extension you stand against the law and what is right.
43 posted on 10/09/2001 7:07:00 PM PDT by sakic
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To: sakic
Wrong.

Rudy should be GONE.

We have to stick to the rule of law on both sides.

Why, because this is the classic method that tin-horn dictators take root by. The rule for two terms is there for a very, very, very good reason.

Think of it this way, It gives Rudy the opportunity to push on to a higher office.

The new mayor should get immediate control. He should accept whatever aid Rudy is then willing to provide.

44 posted on 10/09/2001 7:39:47 PM PDT by nm_james
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To: nm_james
You agreed with me and called me wrong. Does that mean you're wrong too?
45 posted on 10/09/2001 7:41:50 PM PDT by sakic
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To: TexRef, sakik
This is about staying on as an advisor, not an extension of term.

And Tex, if you need a list of what Rudy has done, I don't even want to be associated with you as a FReeper, and perhaps an American.

That man has probably gotten 8 hours of TOTAL sleep in the past month. And you are a heartless B@stard for saying he has done nothing worthy.

46 posted on 10/09/2001 10:40:14 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
This is about staying on as an advisor, not an extension of term. And Tex, if you need a list of what Rudy has done, I don't even want to be associated with you as a FReeper, and perhaps an American.

Please, calm down.

That man has probably gotten 8 hours of TOTAL sleep in the past month. And you are a heartless B@stard for saying he has done nothing worthy.

I never said that he hadn't done anything... But I don't think that he has done anything significantly moreso than any other person that has contributed to the effort -- including the hundreds of firemen, police, and other workers who have been on the site trying to find people, clearing the debris, etc.

The trial balloon that was floated was NOT about staying on as an advisor -- it was about staying on as mayor. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy because Freepers would be up in arms if a Democrat was trying to extend his term because of a national tragedy.

Rudy can do whatever he wants when he is not mayor. He can go down and help in many, many ways -- no one is stopping him from doing that.

47 posted on 10/10/2001 12:33:19 AM PDT by TexRef
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To: TexRef
But I don't think that he has done anything significantly moreso than any other person that has contributed to the effort

There simply are few people in this world capable of the kind of leadership that Rudy showed us in the last month. Yes, many people put fourth as much effort as he, however it was his leadership that got NY through it so smoothly. They man just about gave his life along with the rest of the Fire Fighters and was forced to leave just before the collapse.

I had my grievances with Rudy, however even if Al Gore had done what Rudy has done, I would praise the hell out of him.

It is the part of advisor that the democrats would like to keep him from as well. And had Al Gore been in Rudy's shoes and shined so well, I would fight just as hard to keep him on longer to help NY get through the tragedy.

But to be quite honest, that city simply would not have been back up and running as fast as it did, had another been in place of Rudy. Sure, New Yorkers have the ability, but Rudy gave them the motivation and support.

48 posted on 10/10/2001 7:18:39 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: TexRef
Thats about right. Giuliani didn't make any case for why he should stay in office 3 more months past January 1. Whats magic about 3 months? What would he have done in those 3 months? It wound up looking like he was trying to take personal advantage.
49 posted on 10/10/2001 7:25:13 AM PDT by karth
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To: nm_james
He should accept whatever aid Rudy is then willing to provide.

That is what the democrats are refusing.

50 posted on 10/10/2001 7:26:15 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Actually, Giuliani was threatening to run on the Conservative line and if he won, the election would end up in court. Just whats needed, another election in the courts.
51 posted on 10/10/2001 7:27:40 AM PDT by karth
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To: Texaggie79
There simply are few people in this world capable of the kind of leadership that Rudy showed us in the last month. Yes, many people put fourth as much effort as he, however it was his leadership that got NY through it so smoothly.

You're correct...and now it's time to pat him on the back and say "great job, now follow the law". He or any politician should follow the rules and go on his/her merry way. NY has term limits and his term is up.

We shouldn't change rules in midstream just because he did this or that.

52 posted on 10/10/2001 7:29:01 AM PDT by discontinue
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To: buickmackane
The Republican governor of NY squelched that idea. Head of the Port Authority is a major political plum even without rebuilding the Trade Center or whatever will be done with that property. Pataki would have no interest in giving it to Giuliani.

Anyone have any thoughts as to whether the Trade Center SHOULD be rebuilt? Personally, I hope they don't rebuild it and I hope this horrible attack accelerates the move of businesses out of Manhattan. The workers in those buildings would prefer to be in the suburbs close to where they live. I used to work in Manhattan and, like many I talked to over the years, had nightmares about something happening and not being able to get home. Nightmares became reality on 9/11.

53 posted on 10/10/2001 7:35:23 AM PDT by karth
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To: discontinue
We shouldn't change rules in midstream just because he did this or that.

I say this rule should change with every gubernatorial or presidential term. Not and extended term, but the ability to stay on and advise during extreme situations.

Anyone who knows ANYTHING about politics knows that the first few months of an incumbent are nothing but figuring out how to drive the big @$$ "vehicle". In normal circumstances, this is fine, however under such trying circumstances as now, not even one single day is acceptable.

54 posted on 10/10/2001 7:39:44 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: karth
Anyone have any thoughts as to whether the Trade Center SHOULD be rebuilt?

Absoloutly, and even bigger! The terrorists would be the victors if we altered the way we live.

The only way you will get business to move out of lower Manhattan is to build another one.

55 posted on 10/10/2001 7:42:38 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: MHGinTN;jackbill
Do you two really think that everyone in NY is a democrat and voted for HRC and Chuckie? How do you think Rudy and Pataki got elected in the first place? The sad fact is that the republican party has given up on NY and provides little or no help come election time. Much of LI, which borders NYC is republican (if I had a buck for every "Go Home Hillary" bumber sticker I saw last fall I could retire). Our problem is that there are more mindless urban voters here than there are of us. They vote and their people win office. But, hey...ain't that America? and BTW didn't TN give us the Gores?

As for Rudy staying on, even for a few months, it's not a good idea. He will have two months after the election to let the winner look over his shoulder. He can stay on in any volunteer capacity that the new mayor will support, although if Freddy wins the bad blood between them will rule any cooperation out.

NYC will go down the tubes in the next four years no matter who runs it. This would have happened even if 9.11 never occurred. The Tax base is eroding due to Financial Services turndown and layoffs. The WH has no use for the city. The events last month will only make the decline faster and deeper.

It's sad to think that this makes you two happy.

56 posted on 10/10/2001 7:56:35 AM PDT by wtc911
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To: Texaggie79
I think you're putting too much weight on a politician. No question there's an adjustment period; however, these people aren't kings/queens. They should serve their terms and go back home. Part of the problem with politics is far too many politicians think they're invaluable. Well, they're not...I say, serve a couple of terms and go back to the real world.
57 posted on 10/10/2001 8:06:17 AM PDT by discontinue
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To: Texaggie79
The city is headed into the dumpster because of term limits. But the citizens voted for the dumpster dive and that's their right.

Rudy should quit playing games and move on.

If he wants it, he'll get elected in 2005 with 75% of the vote.

58 posted on 10/10/2001 8:10:08 AM PDT by dead
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To: discontinue
I think you're putting too much weight on a politician.

Not a politician, a LEADER. Look to the football team of South Caralina to learn a lesson on that. Rudy is a LEADER!

59 posted on 10/10/2001 8:12:39 AM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
Maybe the Governor can give him a special appointment to help out in New York City under his auspices.
60 posted on 10/10/2001 8:17:18 AM PDT by FR_addict
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