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1 posted on 10/07/2001 6:35:54 PM PDT by Wallaby
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2 posted on 10/07/2001 6:41:19 PM PDT by Inspector Harry Callahan
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"Her attorney, Tim McCoy, said federal prosecutors rejected the offer, saying they would have to release the documents to McVeigh's and Nichols' defense teams if they accepted them."

If it was so important, and the FBI refused, why didn't she just give the statements to the defense teams?

3 posted on 10/07/2001 6:42:01 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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Why wouldn't they want to take information from a reporter who had sworn witness statements implicating . . . others in the Oklahoma City bombing

Their own files would indict them for killing McVeigh too early and failing to act on substantive leads in the "anti-terrorism" campaign they elected to shunt instead toward measures as included in the omnibus Package for the People?

4 posted on 10/07/2001 6:42:57 PM PDT by Askel5
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Not for commercial use. Solely to be used for the educational purposes of research and open discussion.

A CLOSE-UP LOOK AT TERRORIST LEADER
Kevin Flynn and Lou Kilzer, News Staff Writers
Rocky Mountain News (Denver, CO) LOCAL; Pg. 16A
September 15, 2001 Saturday Final Edition


Osama bin Laden, the key suspect in this week's devastating terrorist attacks, has been at war with the United States for years.


It was in Davao, Mindanao, in 1992 that an Abu Sayyaf infiltrator for the Filipino government claimed that an "American farmer" met with Abu Sayyaf and Ramzi Yousef to discuss terrorism against the U.S.
Now, America is preparing to join that war.

In bin Laden, President Bush and his military strategists face a foe whose stated goal is to establish a Muslim-ruled society in the Middle East.

The society that bin Laden hopes to create, by eradicating current national boundaries and expelling Jews and westerners,would be a stateless theocracy ruled by a caliph, or direct successor to Muhammad as the earthly and spiritual head of Islam.

Bin Laden, who is in his mid-40s, is one of 50 children of a Saudi billionaire. He has used his wealth to train and deploy a shadowy network of Islamic militants in his war against America. And he has spread destruction throughout the world, from the streets of Mogodishu to a harbor in Yemen to a U.S. base in Riyadh. Bin Laden declared his war against Jews and westerners in 1996. Two years later, he broadened his declaration - or fatwa - to include a call for Islamic faithful to kill all Americans, military or civilian.

Bin Laden wasn't always at war with America. At one point, he was on the same side.

Americans in the military and intelligence communities are widely thought to have helped bin Laden during the Afghani struggle against the Soviet Union from 1979 to 1989.

But bin Laden - protected by a cadre of bodyguards armed with U.S.-made Stinger shoulder-fired missiles - now taunts the United States to try to stop him.

From one of his hideouts in Afghanistan, bin Laden told a reporter that members of his group "have seen in the past decade the decline of the American government and the weakness of the American soldier."

Among the cadre of Muslim terrorists coming under the umbrella of the bin Laden organization are several people incarcerated in Colorado's federal prison complex in Florence.

Ramzi Yousef, 32, the convicted mastermind of the first attempt to bring down the World Trade Center, a February 1993 truck bombing that killed six and injured more than 1,000, is serving his sentence in the federal Supermax prison.

Yousef was captured in 1995 in Pakistan in a safehouse linked to bin Laden. He had received money from a bin Laden relative. Prison officials denied the Rocky Mountain News' request to visit Yousef.

Federal investigators interviewed Yousef this week about the attacks on New York and Washington, D.C., but apparently learned nothing useful.

Bin Laden, who the state department says was born sometime near 1955, heads a terrorism network called al-Qaida, Arabic for "The Base."

Al-Qaida serves as a clearinghouse of sorts for a broad range of terrorism cells, all Islamic, in as many as 34 countries, according to terrorism researchers.

Up to 24 separate terrorist organizations are associated with al-Qaida, all operating in their own strictly secret environment and isolated from each other. Even cells within the organizations operate without direct contact with the others in order to cut down the chances for infiltration.

Al-Qaida in turn is part of a larger group in which bin Laden shares leadership. That group - The World Islamic Front for the Struggle Against the Jews and the Crusaders - serves as an umbrella organization covering several radical Islamic movements.

Said to control $300 million from family businesses, bin Laden's biography is shot through with holes and contradictions.

This much is clear:

He was one of dozens of children of Saudi construction billionare Muhannad bin Laden. Some accounts have him living an ordinary life until the former Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Other accounts have him partying hard in Beirut until that city was engulfed in civil war in the mid-1970s.

Whatever the case, the Afghan war with the USSR turned bin Laden into a hard and dangerous man.

He established a recruiting outfit called Maktab al-Khidamat, or Services Office. It helped to build infrastructure in Afghani-held areas, and brought the Islamic faithful from many lands - including the U.S. - to be fighters against the Soviets.

And that might not have been his only connection to the U.S. Bin Laden received training and resources from the CIA, which poured more than $3 billion into the effort to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan, according to the New York Times and the BBC.

The Soviet Union broke apart later, a process bin Laden believes will happen to U.S. global interests as well.

Bin Laden formed al-Qaida in 1988 from the remnants of the Afghani resistance fighters.

He also ran the Jihad Committee, a body that the state department says includes the Egyptian Islamic Group, the Jihad Organization in Yemen, the Pakistani al-Hadith group, the Lebanese Partisans League, the Libyan Islamic Group, Bayt al-Imam Group in Jordan and the Islamic Group in Algeria.

Returning to Saudi Arabia following the Afghan war, bin Laden was outraged because the regime had hosted U.S. troops during the war. Under western pressure, bin Laden was forced out, disowned by many in his large extended family, and relocated to the Sudan in 1991.

The Saudi government stripped him of citizenship in 1994, accusing him of supporting terrorists.

Taking his wives and a band of about 200 followers, bin Laden set up companies and agricultural businesses in Khartoum, Afghanistan.

Some of the bin Laden factories helped provide work for the unemployed from the Afghan war. He imported heavy equipment to build infrastructure for Sudan as well as training camps for Afghan vets.

In the Sudan, bin Laden owned a sunflower plantation, a bank, a goat skin factory, a construction company and an international trading business.

His construction company helped to build an airport at Port Sudan and a 750-mile highway from Khartoum to Port Sudan.

In 1996, under increasing U.S. pressure on the Sudanese government, bin Laden moved to Afghanistan with his organization.

Despite his wealth, bin Laden sometimes lives in an Afghani cave and eats gritty bread, cheese and tea.

Even so, visitors report that he directs al-Qaida's activities through laptop computers, e-mail, satellite telephones and other modern technologies.

The coordination extends from attacks in New York to Mindanao Island in the Philippines, where Muslim fighters in groups such as the Abu Sayyaf Group seek independence from Manila.

It was in Davao, Mindanao, in 1992 that an Abu Sayyaf infiltrator for the Filipino government claimed that an "American farmer" met with Abu Sayyaf and Ramzi Yousef to discuss terrorism against the U.S.

The infiltrator, a Filipino agent named Edwin Angeles, later said he believed it was Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, who visited the Philippines several times and married a Filipina.

Nichols' attorneys called the report worthless, dredged up by bomber Timothy McVeigh's defense team to deflect blame.

Nevertheless, it is known that Nichols was in his wife's hometown of Cebu City in late 1992 when Yousef flew there from Manila and planted a liquid chemical bomb under a passenger seat in a Philippines Airlines 747 bound for Tokyo.

The bomb went off enroute to Japan and killed a Japanese man seated there. The plane landed safely. U.S. authorities claimed during Yousef's trial that it was part of the planning for an ambitious conspiracy to blow a dozen American jumbo jets out of the skies on the same day.


5 posted on 10/07/2001 6:44:00 PM PDT by Wallaby
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Bump!
8 posted on 10/07/2001 6:50:24 PM PDT by MizSterious
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It's too late to unravel the true story of OKC now. Too many people have put their reputations on the line. Too many FBI agents were complicit. Too many news reporters and editors are complicit.

The clinton years were unspeakably horrible--not just for what clinton did, but for what the media and the politicians were willing to defend, and the voters to vote for.

Pray God it never happens again.

9 posted on 10/07/2001 6:50:26 PM PDT by Cicero
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Yeah, Timothy McVeigh was seen on the grassy knoll near Dealey Plaza in Dallas in November 1963..... I think he flew around the country in black helicopters. Probably he was present in Ford's Theater too. Sound like nonsense? No more nonsense than your post!!!Conspiracy nut, you are!
13 posted on 10/07/2001 7:04:43 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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I've always wondered about McVeigh's statements in those last few interviews when he said that he considered the innocent loss of life in Oklahoma City collateral damage but always regretted and was haunted by the Iraqi soldier he killed during the Gulf War. That sounds very strange.
15 posted on 10/07/2001 7:05:23 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Schippers said he is trying to get the material to U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft... He said he has not given up, but would not disclose his plans to get a full airing for Davis' findings.

This really doesn't make any sense. Does Schippers actually believe that the current administration isn't aware of this info and/or what really happened? Who the hell is going to give this a "full hearing"? Nobody with power cares. So who?

22 posted on 10/07/2001 7:52:05 PM PDT by Sandy
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"full hearing airing"
23 posted on 10/07/2001 7:53:35 PM PDT by Sandy
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In the recent days I've seen statements from militia types supportative of the attacks of 9/11. I thought it was simple confirmation that these militia types are just nuts. Now, if any of this can be verified, it may be a modern take of the old Sicilian proverb that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.There is little doubt that the U.S. gov't is the enemy for many in the militia movement and the appellation ZOG for Zionist Occupation Gov't. makes a sit down with the likes of Al Queda not an impossibility.Might the next act of terror come from the same direction as 4/19?
30 posted on 10/07/2001 8:41:39 PM PDT by xkaydet65
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33 posted on 10/07/2001 8:57:17 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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FBI agent Dan Vogel (mentioned in the article for this thread) appeared on CBS 60 minutes earlier in 2001 with three other FBI agents from the OKC FBF Field office. The agents discussed conditions within the FBI office and the FBI documents that were lost and then found near the time of McVeigh's first execution date.

Sadam Hussein has been linked to helping Bin Laden and AlQaeda do the WTC attacks on 9/11/2001. Hijacker Pilot Mohammed Atta met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague Checkozovakia in 2000.

The Iraqi, Hussaini, referred to in this article as allegedly being with McVeigh, has been reported to have once served in the Hussein's elite Iraqi Republican guard during the Gulf War.

And it has been said by David Schippers, the legal cousel for the House Managers during impeachment on WRRK radio (Pittsbugh-9/13/2001), that the FBI should look at the Iraqi again since he was a baggage handler at Boston's Logan airport, where some of the hijacked planes in the WTC attacks originated on 9/11/2001.

So it is plausible that Sadam Hussein helped Bin Laden not only do the WTC attacks, but even possibly the OKC bombing since the article described the OKC bombing as a "Bin Laden operation."

36 posted on 10/07/2001 9:24:20 PM PDT by OKCSubmariner
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"Six months before the bombing, Khalil had hired a group of Iraqis for painting and construction work. On the day of the bombing, a former co-worker told Davis they reacted to the news with unrestrained joy. "They even praised Saddam Hussein, vowing to die in his service," a source stated in an affidavit."

Why were a group of Iraqis, that obviously hate America and love saddam hussein, brought into this country by the bloody clinton administration?

I've heard they were deserters from the iraqi red guard (often erroneously, in my opinion, called the Republican Guard). If they are indeed deserters or refugees from iraq, they sure act funny in that they appear to love saddam.

They should all be thrown in jail immediately and tried as criminals and traitors.

They can share jail cells with the bloody clintons and their trolls.

40 posted on 10/07/2001 9:46:54 PM PDT by chantal7
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Good find!

Let's not forget that it also later came out in separate court proceedings, that the Rev. Robert Millar, leader of the Elohim City camp where McVeigh hung out at times with other John Doe's, was a paid FBI informant -- had been for years.

Think of that -- a racist, white supremist camp subsidized, if not wholly owned and operated, by the United States of America!

And the rabid war mongers lurk among us, refusing to consider government knowledge or involvement in WTC. Given the sophisticated spy technology put out by the USA, its easier to believe they allowed it to happen than it is to believe they totally missed it.

55 posted on 10/07/2001 10:36:38 PM PDT by RoarNLion
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From Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil & Fundamentalism in Central Asia, Ahmed Rashid, Yale University Press, 2000

"Before the Taliban, Islamic extremism had never flourished in Afghanistan. Within the Sunni tradition were the Wahabbis, followers of the strict and austere Wahabbi creed of Saudi Arabia. Begun by Abdul Wahab (1703-1792) as a movement to cleanse the Arab bedouin from the influence of Sufism, the spread of Wahabbism became a major plank in Saudi foreign policy after the oil boom in the 1970's. The Wahabbis first came to Central Asia in 1912, when a native of Medina, Sayed Shari Mohammed set up Wahabbi cells in Tashkent and the Ferghana Valley. From here and from British India the creed traveled to Afghanistan where it had miniscule support before the war.

However, as Saudi arms and money flowed to Saudi-trained Wahabbi leaders amongst the Pashtuns, a small following emerged. In the early stages of the war, the Saudis sent an Afghan long settled in Saudi Arabia, Abdul Rasul Sayyef, to set up a Wahabbi party, the Ittehad-e-Islami, Islamic Unity, in Peshawar. The Wahabbi Afghans who are also called Salafis, became active opponents of both the Sufi and the traditional tribal-based parties but they were unable to spread their message because they were intensely disliked by ordinary Afghans, who considered it a foreign creed. Arab mujihaddin including Osama Bin Laden, who joined the Jihad, won a small Pashtun following, largely due to lavish funds and weapons at their disposal.....

These Islamic leaders were drawn from a new class of educated university students- Hikmetyar studied engineering at Kabul University, Masud studied at Kabul's French Lycee- who took their inspiration from the most radical and politicized Islamic party in Pakistan, the Jammat-e-Islami. The Pakistani Jammat in turn was inspired by the Ikhwan ul Muslimeen or the Muslim Brotherhood which was set up in Egypt in 1928 with the aim of bringing about an Islamic revolution and creating an Islamic state. The founder of Ikhwan, Hasan al-Banna (1906-1949) was a major influence on Abdul-Ala Maududdi (1903-1978), who founded the Pakistani Jamaat in 1941.

The old Ikhwan movements around the Muslim world wanted an Islamic revolution rather than a nationalist or communist revolution to overthrow colonialism. In opposition to traditional mullahs these Islamicists refused to compromise with the indigenous neo-colonial elite and wanted radical political change, which would create a true Islamic society as constituted by the Prophet Mohammed in Mecca and Medina as well as deal with the challenges of the modern world. They rejected nationalism, ethnicity, tribal segmentation and feudal class structures in favor of a new Muslim internationalism which would reunite the Muslim world or Ummah. To achieve this, parties like the Pakistani Jammat and Hikmetyar's Hizb-e-Islami set up highly centralized modern parties organized along communist lines with a cell system, extreme secrecy, political indoctrination, and military training.

The greatest weakness of the Ikhwan model of political Islam is the dependence on a single charasmatic leader, an Amir, rather than a more democratically constituted organization to lead it. The obsession of radical Islam is not the creation of institutions, but the character and purity of its leader, his virtues and qualifications, and whether his personality can emulate the personality of the Prophet Mohammed......."

59 posted on 10/08/2001 8:03:52 PM PDT by Hamiltonian
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Fodder for your wet dream!
68 posted on 04/11/2003 4:34:39 PM PDT by verity
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Davis and Schippers were on Tulsa's KFAQ this morning.....

I'd really like to see something come of this....But certainly NOT holding my breath.

FRegards,

81 posted on 05/06/2005 5:14:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (Bill Clinton's heart is blacker than the devil's riding boots.....................................)
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bttt


104 posted on 05/06/2005 7:48:34 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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