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Pilots threaten to stop service if kept unarmed
Union Leader ^
| 10/05/01
| KATHRYN MARCHOCKI
Posted on 10/04/2001 9:38:13 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Good! This is the best way to ensure security against the type of attacks we just saw.
To: supercat
First of all, arming the pilot and copilot isn't going to do much good if it's easy for someone to break into the cockpit and surprise them. I think everyone here would agree to that. Arming the pilot and copilot is just a part--but an important one--of an overall cockpit security plan. That's the flip side of the remarks in my last post. A gun isn't a magic talisman of protection, any more than it's a magic talisman of evil. It's a tool, which has to be used properly.
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posted on
10/05/2001 5:38:50 AM PDT
by
steve-b
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To: kattracks
I'm supposed to be comfortable with the idea that just because some jughead will be "FBI trained," that he is suddenly competent to wield a firearm in close quarters? I can see the post-mortem on the event: pilots each fire an entire magazine at a hijacker 2 feet away and manages to not get a single hit...terrorist proceeds to b!tch-slap the pilots to death.
A possible solution: put a better lock on the cockpit door, mason jars for the cockpit crew to piddle in, a small airlock for transferring food/paperwork to/from the cabin, and a sky marshal in the cockpit jump seat. Said sky marshal would be trained at least as well as Delta Force or SEAL Team 6. His job: if someone forces the cockpit door open, SHOOT THE BAD GUY AND CLOSE THE DOOR. Repeat as needed while the pilot gets the plane onto the ground posthaste.
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posted on
10/05/2001 5:44:52 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: kattracks
Were hearing members of Congress say they dont want a bunch of armed hooligans running around, said Giuda, a New Hampshire state representative. This is proof of the sorry state to which we've come.
The standards for political service has deteriorated so any idiot can represent other idiots, and it shows.
Long on socialist rhetoric and short on common sense.
Now, if this idiot were packing, then I'd worry...
To: D Joyce
Many flights transit heavily populated areas, but the most disastrous accidental crashes have never had this kind of death toll. To inflict these kinds of casualties, EVERYTHING needs to be deliberate.
And armed passengers can do nothing against a bomb in the luggage compartment, which would be the most cost-effective way to execute your proposed strategy.
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posted on
10/05/2001 5:49:43 AM PDT
by
Poohbah
To: kattracks
Were hearing members of Congress say they dont want a bunch of armed hooligans running around, said Giuda, a New Hampshire state representative. This is really bad. Did some idiot in congress really say this!!!???
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To: kattracks
Commercial airline pilots will be asked to suspend air service if they cannot have trained, armed pilots in the cockpits, a New Hampshire pilot said.
Yes! Live free or die.
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To: Torie
Pray tell, what "...cooler heads..."?
Sarah Brady, John Ashcroft, The Violence Policy Center, peace protesters?
How about??? - ME!!!!!
I haven't shot a thing since this happened, I MUST have a cool head.
I decide that ALL citizens can carry handguns on ALL flights.
There, it's decided - go away.
prambo
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posted on
10/05/2001 5:55:43 AM PDT
by
prambo
To: all
But, but...if we arm pilots, we'll have to arm bus drivers, then the cab drivers and pizza delivery guys. Before you know it, we'll have an armed citizenry! We can't do that--why, it's downright CONSTITUTIONAL!! AMEN!!! I won't fly ever again unless the pilot or myself is armed!! Perferably both of us! Until then, I'll drive, locked & loaded.
To: Torie
No matter what you say, pilots will eventually have to be allowed this option because airlines will notice, once the bailout runs out, that there are a lot of people out here like me who will not fly again, unless it is an absolute emergency, until they are. Economics will overpower the anti-gunners on this one.
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Bump!
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posted on
10/05/2001 6:18:03 AM PDT
by
Fixit
Bump!
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posted on
10/05/2001 6:18:09 AM PDT
by
Fixit
To: vbmoneyspender
You're prepared to have passenger jets shot down by our fighters if terrorists gain control of the jets, but you don't think it is justified for the pilots to constitute a last line of defense in the cockpits before a jet is shot down. Brilliant observation!
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posted on
10/05/2001 6:19:38 AM PDT
by
RoseyT
To: Torie
"Who elected them to make" policy decisions? I think they are following the law - natural law. I believe we are talking about the pilots' life and death here. But why should that entitle them to an opinion? /sarcasm>
To: Poohbah
OK, your world has enough "Delta Force or SEAL Team 6" people to put one on every flight without bankrupting the airlines. What color is the sky there?
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posted on
10/05/2001 6:39:23 AM PDT
by
steve-b
To: Torie
think they should be fired if they refuse to fly. Who elected them to make these policy decisions? They are 10 folks who would be eager to take the place of each of them, sans guns unless and until the public square deemed it prudentMaybe they will be and we will see how many of the public will wish to fly with brand new replacement pilots. As for me I am not flying until there are armed pilots and a whole bunch more armed honest Americans up on the plane than just a lone sky marshall.
Stay well - Stay safe - stay armed - Yorktown
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