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"Bin Laden hears Atta screaming his name in Hell"
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Posted on 09/29/2001 9:28:57 PM PDT by ChinaThreat

Osama, do you feel the rope tightening?

Osama, do you hear Mohomad Atta screaming your name in the pitts of hell?

Osama, do you sleep while knowing the Snakeaters are waiting outside your cave?

Osoma, can you enjoy your last meals knowing your death is minutes away. Can you feel the ghosts of your victims anticipating your arrival on the other side?

Osoma, can you see the executioner's grin as the hood is placed over your head? Do you question your faith as the trap door squeeks under neath your booted feet.

Osoma, we are coming .... and we are going to send you to hell. And your grave will be spat on by millions of Americans while we subject your people to western ideologies, Chrisianity and we will build more bases on your precious Saudi Arabia to defile Mecca and Medina. And long after your gone your descendants will eath Hot Dogs and your daugters dres like Britney Spears. Burn in hell you maggott!


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To: parsifal
" Jesus always seemed to be more about love and forgiveness than hard and fast rules and doctrinal affiliations."

Except for the part about the moneychangers. Oh yeah, and when he called the Pharisees "wicked and adulterous." Come to think of it. Jesus talked a lot about Hell and torment too...

More, in fact, then the rest of the authors of the Bible combined.

81 posted on 09/30/2001 12:09:58 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: maranatha
Onion, our spirits leave our body at death never losing consciousness and we are either immediately united with Christ or we are in the pits of hell until the great white throne judgement.

Agreed about the state of the spirit of the saved. Agreed about the GWT judgement for the unsaved. Not agreed about the disposition of the spirits of the unsaved while they are waiting for the GWT. Please explain and reference.

Thanks,
Onion Orion

82 posted on 09/30/2001 12:10:51 AM PDT by Orion
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To: maranatha
"I feel you must mix things you think with things people tell you or you have read, but you are not understanding what God tells you in the Bible. "

Well the salvation of non-believers is a big issue with me for some reason. I studied Catholic doctrine about this for a long time. I believe Catholic doctrine on this makes perfect sense and is in accordance with the Bible. At any rate I won't budge from by position.

Look at all the different views on this thread. Everyone thinks their belief is the right one. I say if you hold your belief in good conscience, because in your heart and in your mind you believe that it is what God says, then you MUST follow it. We can't all be right because we all differ. But the truth is out there. And if we are striving for the truth, even though we miss the mark that is all God asks of us.

83 posted on 09/30/2001 12:12:42 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Orion

Thanks for the answers, Orion. What is your take on what happens to the souls of the unsaved between physical death and judgement?

MM



84 posted on 09/30/2001 12:16:21 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Theresa

Theresa, if it's all about good intentions, then why was it necessary for Jesus to be murdered on a cross? Since intentions are all that counts, why wouldn't we all just be judged on that? God sure would've been spared a lot of personal pain with that approach, would he not?

MM



85 posted on 09/30/2001 12:23:58 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: 1 spark
So we Christians should not be smug about who is going where and who is going to be saved.

Point of order...

It is Jesus, and the NT writers that were very matter of fact about who is going to Heaven and who is not.

It is a fact that each individual (not some Christian somewhere) gets to choose if he wants to go to Heaven.

Jesus, not Peter, not Joseph Smith, not Jerry Fallwell, not GWB, not John Paul whatever, not Bill Clinton, not Mohammad, nor some Himalayan bean curd eating guru, is holding the keys to the Kingdom. Do you want 'em? Just ask. It's real easy.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

-Jesus Christ (emphasis added)

86 posted on 09/30/2001 12:24:25 AM PDT by Orion
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To: MississippiMan
What is your take on what happens to the souls of the unsaved between physical death and judgement?

All I know is that they are not with Christ, not in Hell, and are probably real sorry they didn't get their spiritual affairs squared away when they had the chance. Think about what it must be like to face at least 1000 years of waiting for a trial and then the lake of fire. Not pretty.

87 posted on 09/30/2001 12:27:22 AM PDT by Orion
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To: all
See what I mean?

Like being stuck in that Comparitive Religions course with sanctimonious blowhards. I liked the reading materials but hated the classroom discussions.

88 posted on 09/30/2001 12:28:16 AM PDT by moodyskeptic
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To: Theresa
But the truth is out there. And if we are striving for the truth, even though we miss the mark that is all God asks of us.

Could you please cite a scriptural reference for this position?

Rev 20:11-15, Rom 3:23, John 14:6 seem to contradict what you are saying.

89 posted on 09/30/2001 12:33:09 AM PDT by Orion
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To: Sabertooth
"Come to think of it. Jesus talked a lot about Hell and torment too..."

Yes he did. But he did not name names. That's all I am saying. I don't deny China Threat his/her anger. Atta is beyond our reach now. There can be no doubt that what he did was objectively evil. He cannot be punished here on earth and he would be if it was possible. So it's very frustrating.

90 posted on 09/30/2001 12:33:38 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Orion

I think lots of people just choose to mold their thoughts and beliefs about God into a package that makes them comfortable. It is painful to think about billions of people who will suffer for eternity, which is why we as Christians are charged with spreading the Gospel to the unsaved masses.

It's late and I can't begin to quote a verse to back this up, but I'm sure that I've read or been taught somewhere that everyone at some point has a chance to receive Christ, that those who are not witnessed to by humans will be ministered to by the Holy Spirit. Please someone correct me on this if I'm wrong and nobody think that I'm saying for sure it's this way because I'd never want to misrepresent anything in God's Word.

In the movies, we all go "toward the light," and that's nice and easy to believe but in reality, narrow is the way. Easy but narrow.

MM



91 posted on 09/30/2001 12:36:13 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: ChinaThreat
Atta boy!
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Man finds human penis in bottle of fruit punch

Police don't know if crime is involved

By Tillie Fong, News Staff Writer
COMMERCE CITY -- Police say a man found a penis Thursday in a bottled drink he purchased at a grocery store.

"For us, it's a mystery," said Elaine Rowe, spokeswoman for Commerce City police.

"We don't know if there is a crime involved. This could be a fraud, mutilation or attempted homicide."

Thursday morning, Juan Sanchez-Marchez, 41, a machine operator at Foothills Mail and Supply, was at work, taking his usual sips from a 20-ounce bottle of Ora Potency Fruit Punch.

After he had downed about two-thirds of the bottle, he found something in the opaque red drink.

He called over his 16-year-old son, Manuel, who also works at the shop. His boss told him that it looked like a penis and to report it to the police.

A pathologist with the Adams County coroner's office determined it was a 3-inch segment of human penis. It was cleanly cut at the base.

Authorities do not know whether the body part came from an adult or juvenile, or whether it had been taken from a cadaver or a living person.

A DNA test will be conducted on the penis, in case it may be related to an ongoing Adams County investigation where various body parts, including a head and part of a leg, have been found but not identified.

The Ora Potency Fruit Punch comes in a clear glass bottle with a label.

Sanchez-Marchez said the top was intact when he opened it.

"It's a very hard top to get off," he said.

Police do not believe that Sanchez-Marchez put the penis in the bottle.

"He's a very credible witness," Rowe said.

The drink was purchased Wednesday from the King Soopers at 6040 E. 65th Ave.

Sanchez-Marchez bought six bottles. Nothing was found in the others.

The product has been taken off the shelves at the store and from other King Soopers in the metro area.

A King Soopers spokesperson could not be reached for comment late Friday.

Rowe said the drink was dated at least a year ago and was bottled at a plant in Pittsburgh.

"They said there was no way it could have occurred there," she said.

"It's a mystery where it came from and how it got into this bottle."

September 29, 2001

Copyright 2001, Rocky Mountain News. All Rights Reserved.

92 posted on 09/30/2001 12:40:49 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Arthur McGowan
Then how do you make any sense of the Last Judgment, where Jesus sends the people who did good works to heaven, and the people who failed to do good works to hell?

If you read Rev 20, you will find that the Great White Throne judgment is nothing more than a condemnation. The whole point of the entire Bible is that NO ONE makes it to Heaven on works. They only make it on the salvation of Jesus Christ. Not even Hillary Clinton or Anita Hill is perfect enough to withstand the GWT. Not me. Not you.

The ONLY person who lived a sinless life was born in an animal feeding trough because his step-father had to pay his taxes, and was executed by the Roman army for a crime he did not commit. He demonstrated the sinless life because he was God. That same man will sit on that white throne and judge all others that did not call His name to be saved.

93 posted on 09/30/2001 12:42:25 AM PDT by Orion
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To: MississippiMan
"Theresa, if it's all about good intentions, then why was it necessary for Jesus to be murdered on a cross? Since intentions are all that counts, why wouldn't we all just be judged on that? "

But I never said it was only good intentions. I said Jesus death on the cross saves us. I said it several times too. The sin of Adam closed the gates of heaven to all men. When Jesus died on the cross he was the perfect sacrifice for our sins and his death opened the gates of heaven.

This is a little off the point but don't forget that the first covenant that God made with a human was the one he made with Noah. Noah was neither Christian or Jew. There was no bible in his day. He was a natural man who, I think must have lived by the law that God had written on his heart. Which is why God spoke to him and told him to build an Ark because there was going to be a flood. And Noah obeyed God. So it just shows me that not being a Christian is not a sign that you are going to be left out and shunted to the sidelines. That's my take anyway.

94 posted on 09/30/2001 12:48:05 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
You have people on these threads who are born again, who have been saved and know Christ as their Lord and Savior and some of those may have differences more or less about what God teaches you about everything else, other than salvation. Orion and I may not agree at this moment about where the immortal soul goes at death. But we can share scriptures and it is a good thing to search these things out, and one of us may learn something more and we are always learning the depths of God's teachings but even if we disagree about that point, what we believe doesn't effect our salvation. But, never will we disagree about salvation.

Then, you have a million differing opinions from people on these threads who are not born again Christians, who believe all kinds of things, and people who don't believe at all and that is where you see the back and forth.

No Christian would say you can reject the gift of salvation Christ offers us and still spend eternity with him in heaven and with Him as He rules on earth. Can't happen.

95 posted on 09/30/2001 12:50:18 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: Theresa
Noah was neither Christian or Jew. I said Jesus death on the cross saves us

Noah was not judged by the work God and Christ did on the cross because Christ had not come to complete God's plan for salvation. But every soul alive since Christ's sacrifice are judged by whether they accept Him as Lord and are born again. You said Jesus' death on the cross saves us, but it does not save us if we reject him. Do you think Jesus took all our sins and paid the price on the cross and now everyone on earth has some ticket to heaven if they're halfway good and think there is a God out there somewhere?

96 posted on 09/30/2001 1:01:17 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: MississippiMan
"but I'm sure that I've read or been taught somewhere that everyone at some point has a chance to receive Christ, that those who are not witnessed to by humans will be ministered to by the Holy Spirit."

Well I think this is theological speculation. But it is well reasoned based on what we know about God's mercy. God is fair. Perfectly fair. To be fair is NOT the same thing as being permissive. So we should not presume upon his mercy or dispair that he will withhold it. We just have to have a hopeful confidence in him that his mercy and his justice are in perfect balance.

97 posted on 09/30/2001 1:02:15 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: Theresa
But I never said it was only good intentions. I said Jesus death on the cross saves us. I said it several times too. The sin of Adam closed the gates of heaven to all men. When Jesus died on the cross he was the perfect sacrifice for our sins and his death opened the gates of heaven.

Point of order...

The only universal thing Jesus's death brought about was the end of temple sacrifices as the covering for sin. Jesus' own sacrifice paid for those sins, yet the sinner still needs to ask for this covering of Christ's blood to escape judgment.

The original Passover in Exodus 12, the temple sacrifices, and Christ's execution are all specific to the individual asking for "passover" of the wrath of God. There is nothing universal about Christ's salvation anymore than "good" Egyptian households being spared the plague of the firstborn in Exodus. Only those households with lamb's blood on the lintels were spared (specific request). The same is for Christ's blood on your spiritual "lintels."

It is imperative that you understand this. The Bible states that no one is good. It also states that anyone attempting to bring about his salvation by trying to impress God with good works, is only making the problem worse - they are insulting God. So, the entire notion of a "good" Moslem, "good" Hindu, "good" Mormon, or even a "good" Christian is ludicrous. Good works are a thank-you note for Christ's salvation - not the cover charge for the entrance into Heaven.

98 posted on 09/30/2001 1:04:54 AM PDT by Orion
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To: Orion
That is the gospel. How much clearer can God be? The wages of sin are death. We cannot earn our way to God. You must repent of your sins, and accept your forgiveness through faith in Christ and live for him. That is the only way. There are no other ways. If this doesn't happen, you will die in your sins. Jesus said that very simply, clearly, and his word is true. There are no ten or fifteen ways to be judged by God. He gives you one way, and one way only. And, praise His Holy name he has offered us this precious, precious gift of forgiveness so we can be one with Him. We are totally unworthy and didn't deserve it.
99 posted on 09/30/2001 1:16:55 AM PDT by maranatha
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To: maranatha
The wages of sin are death = The wages of sin is death
100 posted on 09/30/2001 1:18:42 AM PDT by maranatha
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