Posted on 09/29/2001 9:28:57 PM PDT by ChinaThreat
It doesn't matter what Atta thought. His actions will be judged by God Almighty when the time of Judgement comes. And Atta hasn't seen Jesus because Atta is dead. The Scriptures say when you're dead you have no thoughts or memory, you're dead until the resurrection. Let the Muslims make a mockery of that piece of crap called the Koran to get it to say whatever they want it to. If you're going to use Scripture know what you're talking about. It's not a book to prove whatever insanity somebody wants to believe.
Theresa, I believe you have a heart for God and long to be what He wants you to be and to live eternally with Him, but you have been taught some things that are not taught by God. I hope you will study His word about salvation because it is very important you have a clear understanding of this and that you know for certain for your own sake and for your friends and loved ones.
Well gosh. All the poor souls who the apostles did not get to after they went into the world to preach the gospel are doomed if one follows your logic. It took centuries to spread the gospel and I expect it has still not reached some people even today. So I don't accept this premise exactly as you have stated it. Paul himself spoke of those who not having heard the gospel "follow the law that is written on their hearts." It is called in theology Natural Law. Noah I think was one of the ones "in prison" to whom Jesus preached when he went to the underworld.
I agree with this. Everyone in heaven has accepted Christ.
Insanity. The Koran is adamant that innocent people shall not be hurt, and is especially adamant than you shall make no orphans. So by Bin Ladin's own faith, he is damned.
He is also damned in the Jewish faith, since the one sin you may not atone for is murder.
And if you tell me in the Chtistian faith, all he had to do is believe in some guy in history and he gets a pass into heaven, then I would never want to be in that heaven.
This smug self-importance is one of the main turnoffs of Christianity.
I may be a little bit different in my approach. I believe that Jesus is God because it makes sense to me. It's logical. The whole story of creation and God's plan and all of it as expressed in the bible, it just makes sense. I know I have faith, thank God for that gift. And I may be wrong but faith is kind of equal in my mind to what makes sense. And all I can say is that it makes no sense that God would abandon people who lived good lives and yet never heard of him or his son or did not understand what they heard. After all the trouble he went to with his son dying on the cross, it seems like to me he would judge people on a case by case basis. And I think I am pretty much in accordance with Catholic teaching about this. I will brush up just to make sure I have not strayed and taken too liberal a line.
Oh man is it late! Nite nite all.
It's amazing. A person can say, look in the Bible and read this chapter or type it on the screen, and a person like you gets all bent out of shape because he doesn't agree with what God says because through his own brilliant reasoning of what he thinks God should be like he doesn't agree with it (although God says it) and thinks the person who showed it to him is all screwed up. Amazing.
Luckily, I don't believe in a word of the New Testament, so I am certainly not filled with "displeasure with what God ... says". And I assure you that it is your very attitude that turned me off of Christianity so many years ago.
I'm no fan of any religion what claims its got the only way to salvation. Judiasm is quite clear that it does not consider itself the sole path to G-d. That, to me, is one of its greatest draws -- the lack of smugness.
Good point. But he for some reason or another went off on a tangent. And by his letter he did not seem to be aware of it. It's like he thought he was doing good! That's what is so troubling. How in the heck does such a thing happen? AT some point did he come to a crossroad, a turning point where he willfully suppressed the parts of the Koran that condem everything he did? We will never know in this life.
Evil can distort good words, is how. We saw how the Clintons turned many good laws into weapons against the common people, and especially against their enemies.
You said you were going to sleep! Liar! ;^)
You just proved my point exactly. Jesus says, no one comes to the Father but by me, and then explains why in thousands of words. What Jesus says in the Bible is what you you don't like because He says there is only one way. But, you say what turns you off to Christianity is MY ATTITUDE of believing there is only one way. Amazing.
Yes. Yes and yes.
They'll alternate, except on odd Fridays, when it will be Abdul the 275 pound eunuch's turn to have a go at both of them.
Abdul has a little trouble finishing what he begins, however, so THESE sessions will tend to run a little longer than Bin Laden and Atta-boy would prefer.
I don' think in Christian Ideology there is any taboo against good works. The point is that "good works" or acts do not "automatically" get you into heaven the same way you become an Eagle Scout or 32nd degree Mason. Christians believe in the personal intercession of Jesus.
Some the believe the intercession is very rigid and formulaic. You must believe in Jesus or you go to hell even if you never heard of Jesus. I don't think that view makes much sense. It may be right for all I know, but to me it don't make much sense.
Other believe the personal intercession is more of a subjective judgment thing. What are you in your heart. Sheep or goat. Either way, though, the good works, while not frowned upon, do not work outside some form of intercession.
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