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Need Techie Input for a Career that is Crashing and Burning
self | today 27 September, 2001 | self

Posted on 09/27/2001 5:18:01 PM PDT by mlmr

This is a general question for techies and the people who love them. I have a relative who is married to a techie type. Consultant for 20 years. Subcontracted to one of the big 5 occasionally for project managmement. Business systems, inventory, financials, POS, materials tracking, delivery...you name it using IBM midrange systems. Made between 75 to 125 per hour (which is big money in this area) depending where he was working plus expenses.

Their lives changed and there were some family illnesses, deaths, and other problems. He really hasn't stayed on top of the changes. He has woken up to find his client base eroded and has been paralysed about retraining. What direction to go in, what to focus on, who's going to hire a 50 year old newly retrained guy? Is he ever going to be able to make dollars at previous levels? What kind of training does he need? He has even tried to get a job with the state and didnt make the cut. Is this a lost cause?

His wife is nearly hysterical. They are living on the retirement fund and between the taxes and the market, it isn't going to last long. They will lose their house. They have five kids, a mortgage and a car payment. He is stuck.


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To: mlmr
There are millions of folks either in the same position or soon to be. The Clintons created the largest economic bubble in history. Those who think this is the bottom when stocks are still more overvalued, and debt levels much higher than in 1929 are more optimistic than I. All of us will be affected by economic changes.

People managed to muddle through the Great Depression. We can make it if we are willing to accept what we have and continue to grab any opportunities that arise. In many cases that will mean lowering expectations, but there are always opportunities to prosper even in the worst of times.

101 posted on 09/27/2001 7:16:59 PM PDT by OK
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To: The KG9 Kid
But, boy... if it's Maine he's in and insists he wants to keep his house, I'd recommend working overtime in a lumber mill or maybe even robbing banks.

Lumber mills are closing up here in maine. So have many of the paper mills. We do tourists, mostly. You want that lobster boiled or baked, sir?

102 posted on 09/27/2001 7:18:06 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: OK
The Clintons created the largest economic bubble in history.

ROFL! What hay wagon did you fall off of?

The "economy" did more for the "Klintons" than the "Klintons" ever did for the economy.

Credit the "good years" to the end of the Cold War and the dot.com boom, nothing more .... sheesh ... yeech! The Clintons created .... What a pile of dog manure THAT is!

103 posted on 09/27/2001 7:22:16 PM PDT by AgThorn
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To: mlmr
IMO:

-The "who's going to hire a 50 year old..." attitude has got to go. Fifty is not old.

-This individual was asleep at the wheel for at least 5 years.

-This person needs to find a viable niche in the market and excel in it, even if that means generating a demand for a particular service.

-On the financial side, put the children to work, sell the financed auto, move into a smaller house, buy clothes from Goodwill, develope an emergency budget and stick to it. And don't go in debt (no credit card charges).

104 posted on 09/27/2001 7:28:57 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: Senator Pardek
Find a girlfriend. Or better yet, find a whore - just network through your immediate family.

Oh Senator, you are truly evil. LOL

Thank you

mlmr

105 posted on 09/27/2001 7:32:35 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: The KG9 Kid
I hear that Austin TX ...

Just moved from Austin (5 yrs) to the Dallas area. Wouldn't recommend Austin for IBM midrange skillsets. There are about 3 smallish consulting firms that specialize in S/36-AS/400 support. My job was MIS Director for a VMS shop that migrated to AS/400 for Y2k.

The problem is that most AS/400's just run themselves. Extremely reliable, kind of odd--nothing else is quite like it--but most shops are buying packaged AS/400 software. Often a company with an AS/400 doesn't even need a fulltime MIS staff or even one staffer.

That's partly why I, in my mid-40's looked while I had a job for a different niche. It took nine months since I was working fulltime, but I'm now working in high-end disk storage arrays, EMC Corp, SAN's etc. and very happy here.

As we get older, it's too easy, and dangerous, to just keep doing what you've done well in before. I know. I was in serious danger of being stuck with outdated skills. Project management is now a very hot consulting specialty, also Data Security and of course, networking design.

106 posted on 09/27/2001 7:33:07 PM PDT by DJtex
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To: mlmr
Two words: SKY MARSHALL
107 posted on 09/27/2001 7:35:48 PM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: mlmr
Here are some random ideas:

1. If he has any SQL experience, he can use that right away - SQL is mostly the same on any OS. If he knows DB2 he can transfer his knowledge to any other IBM system, since IBM makes DB2 for virtually every platform.

2. He has extensive pm experience; he can serve as an expert witness @$125 or more per hour for contract disputes where a consulting contract goes wrong.

3. Have him use his sources to get an older decommissioned AS/400 deskside, which will run on household current; he can learn new stuff on that, if he goes with AS/400.

4. If he finds any opportunities for MVS, he can learn that at home too, with either the "Hercules" emulator (which is free) which emulates an entire S/390 on a high end PC, or with a P/390 system, which has the 390 mainframe on a chip inside an IBM PC. Both will run pretty much any versio n of the OS.

5. If he has any REXX esxperience, that too is transferable - there are REXX interpreters for virtually any OS.

Hope this helps, good luck to him.

108 posted on 09/27/2001 7:40:30 PM PDT by ikka
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To: mlmr
Your freepmail runneth over, friend.
109 posted on 09/27/2001 7:40:35 PM PDT by irgbar-man (maa6464@hotmail.com)
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To: VA Advogado
Two words: SKY MARSHALL

The top end on that is 38, I think. There are exceptions and waivers for many federal jobs with age limits, but most rely upon previous government service. A newbie applying for the Sky Marshall program at age 50 would be rejected out of the gate.

110 posted on 09/27/2001 7:46:55 PM PDT by Denver Ditdat
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To: irgbar-man
What do you mean my freep mail is running over? Is there a problem mailing me? I am receiving mail. Do I need to clean it out? Is there an upper end limit to freep mail?
111 posted on 09/27/2001 7:48:37 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
Could you please keep this bumped?

Bump and good luck.
And tell him to keep the faith.
I have a cousin in tech in the Dallas-Ft. Worth region. He's been relaying an
endless story of employment difficulties there - especially for those
who were part of the telecom boom.

Things ARE very bad...even knows some hot-dog Chinese engineers who've
bitten the bullet...and returned to mainland China just to have some work to get
by until our tech upsurges.
And it will...and they and your tech friend will if he works REALLY hard now to
find the next hot thing.
112 posted on 09/27/2001 7:50:18 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Duke of Milan
I don't have to look it up, I am it.
113 posted on 09/27/2001 7:50:22 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
hehehe. That college edukashun ruins many a good speller.
114 posted on 09/27/2001 7:50:45 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: Senator Pardek
Find a girlfriend. Or better yet, find a whore - just network through your immediate family.

I'm not certain if your advice is inciteful or incestual.

115 posted on 09/27/2001 7:53:18 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: VA Advogado
There is only one "L" in marshal.
116 posted on 09/27/2001 7:54:50 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: RevNan
Thank you all. I have to pack it in for the night, 5 am comes early. I will check in the am. Again, Grateful Thanks to you all. Freepers are wonderful, do you know that?
117 posted on 09/27/2001 7:55:07 PM PDT by mlmr
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To: mlmr
What do you mean my freep mail is running over? Is there a problem mailing me? I am receiving mail. Do I need to clean it out? Is there an upper end limit to freep mail?

Sounds like you need an emergency dose of Grecian Formula.

118 posted on 09/27/2001 7:56:56 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
In all candor - I'm just sick and tired of hearing half-blind, half-deaf genitically inferior pissants such as yourself.

When will you do us a favor and become half-mute?

119 posted on 09/27/2001 8:01:20 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: mlmr
Teach him to say "want fries with that order?" Such a skilled worker should be on his way without others having to do his career development. Stop whinning and get out there. The same kind of thing you would say to a kid I guess you have to say to this guy.
120 posted on 09/27/2001 8:03:09 PM PDT by RWG
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