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Arabs' resentment of U.S. escalating - Palestinians decry alliance with Israel
Associated Press via Houston Chronicle ^ | September 27, 2001 | Donna Abu-Nasr

Posted on 09/27/2001 9:04:30 AM PDT by Illbay

Sept. 26, 2001, 8:47PM

Arabs' resentment of U.S. escalating

Palestinians decry alliance with Israel

By DONNA ABU-NASR
Associated Press

DAMASCUS, Syria -- A morgue assistant pulls out drawers holding the mutilated corpses of Palestinians killed in clashes with Israelis. Doctors pummel the chest of a dead Palestinian in a desperate attempt to revive him. The body of an infant, swathed in bloodied blankets, is held by a grieving parent.

These raw images -- aired almost daily on Arab television since the Palestinian-Israeli clashes erupted a year ago -- haven't lost the power to touch the hearts of Arab viewers.

Indeed, they have fed a buildup of Arab anger -- not only against Israel but also against the United States, its chief ally, already resented for imposing 11 years of sanctions and carrying out repeated airstrikes on Iraq.

That anger provides a potential base of support for the militants, who can use it to keep governments from cracking down on them. The outrage has also left many Arabs grappling with conflicting emotions over the Sept. 11 suicide attacks in the United States.

Some governments -- while decrying the deaths at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania -- have echoed murmurs in the streets that the United States brought violence on itself by angering Arabs. Others have made it clear they want to be sure U.S. retaliation doesn't target nations like Iraq or groups like Lebanon's Hezbollah guerrillas, who are heroes to some Arabs because of their anti-Israel stance.

"We feel outraged by what happened in the United States, but we want the world to feel the same about the daily Israeli killings of Palestinians, the demolishing of houses and the humiliation of the people," said Wafa Mohammed, a shop owner in Jordan.

"If the United States had sympathized with the Arabs, the destruction that took place in the United States wouldn't have happened," said Mohammed Tohami, 22, an Egyptian frame maker.

"There's a feeling among Arabs that the United States is totally responsible for what's happening in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict," said Imad Shueibi, a Syrian political analyst.

The Palestinian-Israeli clashes began one year ago Friday. The spark, the Palestinians say -- or the pretext, according to Israel -- was a visit by then-opposition Israeli leader Ariel Sharon to the holiest and most disputed site in Jerusalem, which Jews call the Temple Mount and Palestinians Haram as-Sharif.

Since then, 642 Palestinians and 177 Israelis have been killed. Many of the Israeli casualties were civilians who died in Palestinian suicide attacks against discos, restaurants, markets and train stations or shootings with machine guns and mortars.

The resulting resentment cannot be ignored as President Bush -- who has threatened to punish Afghanistan's Islamic rulers harboring suspected terrorist Osama bin Laden -- assembles U.S. forces for a retaliatory strike. Bin Laden has portrayed himself as the champion of Muslims and Palestinians.

Adding to the pressure on the mostly secular Arab governments are fatwas, or religious edicts issued by Muslim clergymen warning the governments against joining the anti-terrorism coalition.


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To: Anonymous2
Is it propaganda, or is it news? Are these things NOT true? Is it NOT true that we have engendered a great deal of resentment in the Arab world? And is this not one reason why?

If you don't like the truth, don't blame me.

21 posted on 09/27/2001 10:04:35 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
Arabs are never responsible for anything, are they? I'm really sick of listening to this bunch of crap. We need to clean house over there right now. Start with Iraq, Iran and Syria and move right down the list. Get rid of the Arab leaders that ferment hate against the U.S. while they rape and pillage and kill their own people.

Richard W.

22 posted on 09/27/2001 10:05:40 AM PDT by arete (richard@mail.fwi.com)
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To: ThreeOfSeven
President Bush could cement the anti-terrorism coalition with Arab countries An unwise move since the Arabs harbor the damnn terrorists by getting up on his hind legs and Your opinion of my president is obvious, assuming him to be a four legged creature ... you are an obvious liberal puke or a disinformation specialist for your terrorist friends forthrightly condemning the tyranny and terrorism of the Israeli occupation Couldn't even veil that one, could you, enemy mine!. That would be a revolutionary act, though, because it would mean standing up to the Israel lobby, one of the most powerful special interests that Washington's politicians kowtow to. Posted by ThreeOfSeven Go away sh!tfly, to serve your Arab terrorist master at some other site. You haven't the intellect to slip your propaganda over on FR folks. Be gone, maggot; we neither serve Israel nor do we agree blindly, but we sure as hell don't consider the state of Israel to be an occupation, nor do we think of our president as a four legged creature. Your father, Satan, has neglected your education, fool.
23 posted on 09/27/2001 10:06:26 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Illbay
Adding to the pressure on the mostly secular Arab governments are fatwas, or religious edicts issued by Muslim clergymen warning the governments against joining the anti-terrorism coalition.

The Muslims are not in favor of terrorism. Right.

24 posted on 09/27/2001 10:10:40 AM PDT by Inyokern
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To: Illbay Anonymous2 Inyokern arete Old Hickory TheDon




'Palestinians See Themselves In Islamic War Against The West'

Jerusalem (CNSNews.com)


- While President Bush has declared that America's war on terrorism should not be misconstrued as a battle between the West and Islam, the Palestinians, nevertheless, sees itself in such a war, said the director of an independent media watchdog organization.

Based on reports in their own media and in school textbooks, the Palestinian Authority sees the Palestinians as part of the larger Islamic community, which is waging a war against the West, said Itamar Marcus, director of the Jerusalem-based Palestinian Media Watch.

PA Chairman Yasser Arafat has declared himself to be on the side of the U.S. in its war against terror, but Marcus, whose organization has been monitoring the PA press and media on the topic for the last four years, says it is not true.

"[The Palestinians are] trying to create this perception that they're supporters of America. It is not true," Marcus said in an interview.

"They have been viciously hating for years and they've taught people to hate America ... That's why everyone went out in the street and celebrated [when the World Trade Towers and Pentagon were attacked] because they had been getting so much anti-American [material]," he said.

A cartoon in the largest circulation daily in the PA, Al-Quds, on September 22, showed a blind-folded President Bush, holding up a bloodied dagger in one hand and a broken scale of justice in the other, captioned "Infinite Justice."

But according to PMW translations of the PA press and media, as far back as 1997, PA officials and official PA newspapers were recorded as displaying anti-American sentiments.

In a compendium of hatred against America, compiled after the September 11 attacks from their previous records, PMW lists 41 cases of strong Anti-American sentiments in 1997 alone ranging from the burning of American flags at a PA-sponsored rally to calls for the destruction of the U.S. by PA officials.

The PA-appointed Mufti (Islamic religious leader) of the PA Ikrima Sabri called on Allah to "destroy America as it is controlled by Zionist Jews."

"Allah will avenge, in the name of his Prophet, the colonialist settlers who are the descendents of monkeys and pigs," he said on the Voice of Palestine radio in July 1997.

Sabri was questioned by the Israeli police shortly after September 11 this year for having called for the destruction of America in a sermon in the weeks leading up to the attacks.

Hafez Al-Barghuti, the editor of the PA's official newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, wrote that history "does not remember the United States, but it remembers Iraq, the cradle of civilization, and Palestine, the cradle of religions.

"History remembers every piece of Arab land, because it is the bosom of human civilization. On the other hand, the murderers of humanity, the creators of the barbaric culture and the bloodsuckers of nations, are doomed to death and destined to shrink to a microscopic size, like Micronesia," he concluded.

Later, in November of 2000, a survey conducted by the Program for Educational Development of Beir Zeit University, in Ramallah showed that 73 percent of Palestinians supported military action against American targets in the region, including suicide missions against American interests in the Middle East.

Al Hayat Al Jadida, which published the poll noted that, "it is interesting that the support for the attacks against American targets among academics reached 77 percent compared to 70 percent among illiterates."

"The message that we're trying to get out is that Americans should understand the Palestinians see themselves in a global war of Islam against the West," Marcus said, citing two passages from PA published textbooks, which say that Islam will conquer the West.

"We do not claim that the collapse of Western civilization, and the transfer of the center of civilization to us [Islam] will happen in the next decade or two or even in fifty years, for the rise and fall of civilizations follow natural processes," says an eleventh grade textbook, Some Outstanding Examples of Our Civilization.

"Even when the foundations of a fortress become cracked it still appears ... to be at the peak of its strength. Nevertheless [Western civilization] has begun to collapse and to become a pile of rubble," it continued.

"Since the beginning of our reawakening ...We awoke to a painful reality and oppressive imperialism and we drove it out of some of our lands and we are about to drive it from the rest," the text concludes.

A seventh grade Islamic education book says that "Islam, the true religion ... will defeat all other religions and it will be disseminated, by Allah's will, through the Muslim Jihad fighters."

Marcus stresses that although America does not see its current battle as a war against Islam, the Islamic people themselves have "defined it as Islam's war against the West."

"This is a war against the Judeo-Christian tradition and Allah has guaranteed that they will defeat the West. This is what they're telling their people," he added.

Marcus said two years ago his organization had already published a report on Islam's war against the West based on PA textbooks, but people tend not to take note until after the fact.

"Everything was written. People just haven't been listening to what's been said," he said.

"People see the world through their own glasses," Marcus said. "We don't want to destroy other people, [so] why would other people want to destroy us? ... We cannot imagine why somebody would want to destroy America or destroy Israel

 


25 posted on 09/27/2001 10:31:50 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: Illbay
"Is it NOT true that we have engendered a great deal of resentment in the Arab world? And is this not one reason why?"

Of course it's true we are resented by the Arab world. The successful are generally resented by the unsuccesful.

We were also resented by the Japanese and Germans in 1941, the Russians for most of the 20th Century, and the Iraqis in 1990.

We were resented by the Indians when we imigrated here from Europe. The Southerners resented the Northerners, especially in the 1860s (especially during the North's invasion of the South).

The Mexicans resented us in the 1830s when we invaded their territory, defeated Santa Ana in a series of battles and captured Mexico City.

Finally, I resent your obtuseness, lack of historical knowledge, and support of the enemies who have just killed 7,000 of us in a sneak attack on civilian men, women and children. And then you have the gall go actually post on this website.

You are a moral and intellectual cretin.

Love and peace.

26 posted on 09/27/2001 10:42:35 AM PDT by moneyrunner
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To: Illbay
i'm sorry, what was that? i was taking an illbay and ran out of tp to wipe my muslim.
27 posted on 09/27/2001 10:53:10 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: dennisw
yes, it's not a war of islam versus the 'infidels'. doh!
28 posted on 09/27/2001 10:56:50 AM PDT by Anonymous2
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To: Illbay
Please tell me you do not agree with this article?
29 posted on 09/27/2001 10:57:34 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: moneyrunner
You just gave an excellent description of ILLBAy. The fool is both one of the most outspoken TRAITORS on FR.......probably a college professor.
30 posted on 09/27/2001 11:01:09 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Illbay
If we engender resentment among anyone for doing the right thing, it doesn't bother me. Why does it bother you?

Stick to NASCAR threads. You know more and make more friends there.

31 posted on 09/27/2001 11:07:14 AM PDT by michaelt
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To: dennisw
Israel only gets you figure this out dumbass billions per year while $50 billion is spent by us on Gulf security and security for Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. We have troops stationed in those two nations. Bin Ladin wants the US out and so does Saddam Hussein

Big difference. We have a strategic interest, or so it is claimed, in keeping the Gulf states from being taken over because of all the oil supplies there. We have ZERO strategic interest in defending Israel. Our support of Israel is about as irrational as foriegn policy gets.

33 posted on 09/27/2001 11:11:20 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Illbay
Since the Palestinians are so unhappy where they are, they should be rounded up and shipped to Afghanistan where they can enjoy the society that the Taliban has brought about. In the meantime the U.S. should double its support of Israel and adopt their method of dealing with terrorists -- assassination of the leaders. And all Moslem countries should bombarded with leaflets teling the people behind the falafel curtain the truth about fallacies and myths that their clerics are feeding them. They export terror to us, we export truth to them. The Musim clerics fear the truth reaching the people more than they fear bombs and bullets.
34 posted on 09/27/2001 11:12:09 AM PDT by Woodkirk
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To: Illbay
Apparently, my earlier post, though it contained NO profanity, personal attacks, racist or violent languange, or loose lips info was deemed unacceptable, and deleted. I certainly did not mean to cast any aspersions on President Bush. The phrase I used, "stand up on his hind legs", was just a folksy way of saying "bravely" or "courageously". It was not meant to convey any lack of humanity or courage. I believe that President Bush has courage and only suggested a course of action which would require courage but would also, in my opinion, help to cement the anti-terrorism coalition with Arab countries.
35 posted on 09/27/2001 11:13:39 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: All
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. Arab hatred of us is not justified, and it is not rational, but who cares? The fact is it exists, and one cannot deny that our support for Israel is the primary reason for its existence. The relevent question is what reason do we have for inciting this hatred? What do we gain in return? I don't care whether or not the Israelis are in the right or in the wrong. The bottom line is that our support has a huge cost. What benefit comes with this cost? I can see absolutely none.

Put it another way, why should we take sides in a conflict when our intersts have absolutely nothing to do with who wins? Why then are we not staying out of the Israeli-Palestinian fight?

36 posted on 09/27/2001 11:18:29 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: arete
We as christians are not allowed to kill.
37 posted on 09/27/2001 11:20:13 AM PDT by AMMON-CENTRIST
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To: ThreeOfSeven
I'm having trouble deciding whether you're retarded or merely an agent provocateur for the terrorists; the Arab nations are the ones harboring the terrorists, in the main. Iran is not a terrorist nation, and until the satanic Taliban took over Afghanistan, that nation wasn't Arab either. The Taliban are zealot Arabs. Who are you?
38 posted on 09/27/2001 11:22:53 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: traditionalist
I think we should side with Israel when it is in the right and oppose it when it is in the wrong. The democracy of Israel proper has much to recommend it. It's mainly the imposed Israeli occupation and unwillingness to recognize the rights of Palestinians, including the right of return for refugees, that we should oppose.
39 posted on 09/27/2001 11:27:28 AM PDT by ThreeOfSeven
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To: Illbay
I am entirely behind Bush, am outraged and livid at the murderous attacks, and have a REAL problem with the sympathizers here in the US. But, do I trust Israel? Hell f---ing NO!. They have been caught spying on us, and they do use us as a valuable proxy in the Mideast. They continue to expand into territory that is clearly defined for Palestinians. And only an idiot would deny the amount of influence they have in our liberal media. They basically do whatever they want. Yet, we are tied to Israel like an umbilical cord. This is a huge compromise and we have made it.

So, I support Bush in his efforts. I decry the anti-Americanism on America's campuses, and I think most Arabs and those who profess affiliation with Islam want to kill us. I say kill them before they kill us. It's a confusing situation, and anyone who does not take a look at the Israeli aggression in the Mideast is missing an important part of the equation. God Bless America!!!

40 posted on 09/27/2001 11:27:58 AM PDT by gohabsgo
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