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Canadian Forces In Very Bad Shape, Report Says
Canadian Press | 9-26-01 | John Ward

Posted on 09/26/2001 7:31:04 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

Wednesday, Sep. 26, 2001

Canadian Forces in very bad shape, report says

By JOHN WARD-- The Canadian Press

OTTAWA (CP) -- Amid a world girding for a war on terrorism, the Canadian Forces are in sad shape, unable to fight against the best and win, a major defence group concludes in a new report.

The army can field little more than company-sized units of 150 or so in a crisis and the navy and air force are falling short in their responsibility to guard the airways and sea lanes while meeting overseas commitments, the Conference of Defence Associations says.

The conference, an umbrella group representing a variety of defence-oriented organizations, is to release the damning report, entitled Caught in the Middle, on Thursday. It cites a litany of military shortcomings and calls for at least $1 billion in new defence spending over each of the next five years.

"Today, the Canadian Forces could not (as required by the 1994 white paper) 'fight against the best and win' beyond a marginal level," the report says.

The Forces are short of money and trained manpower to the point where the army would not be able to field a brigade-size contingency force within 90 days as required by the white paper, the conference says.

"The army is not sustainable under the current circumstances."

The report says the army can't even maintain its 1,800-member contingent in Bosnia if it wants to modernize and be able to respond to any other crisis.

The navy is so short of sailors that one of its destroyers is tied up for lack of a crew.

"The navy will not be able to deliver its mandated level of maritime defence capability without additional resources."

The air force has a pilot shortage that is bound to get worse before it gets better.

"The air force is 'one deep' in many areas and has lost much of its flexibility and redundancy."

The group says the title of the report "implies that the Canadian Forces currently inhabit the worst of two worlds: conventional military capacities are in decline; new capabilities are unaffordable."

The conference blames government stinginess for the troubles, despite modest increases in defence spending in recent years.

"Canada spends only $265 per capita on defence. The NATO average is $589."

The defence minister's office refused to comment on the report. Defence Minister Art Eggleton, who was in Brussels attending a NATO meeting, wasn't available.

The report gives the Forces a failing grade when it comes to the ultimate test of any military: the ability to fight.

"The low level of collective training, the unsatisfactory state of some weapons and equipment and the lack of logistics support would make engagement in combat operations problematic without resolving those shortfalls."

As Canadians wonder what military help Canada might provide to the U.S. in the war on terrorism, the report states:

"The situation will not improve until Canadians and their government realize that the cost of effective armed forces is the price of doing business in the modern world.

"Nations, particularly those in the G-7 group, who shirk their duties in this respect may anticipate unfavourable treatment in the international economic domain."


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Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh Canada we stand on guard forrrrrrrr theeeeeee?
1 posted on 09/26/2001 7:31:04 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: My Favorite Headache
Gosh, really?
2 posted on 09/26/2001 7:34:09 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: My Favorite Headache
Where's William Holden when we need him?...God rest his soul.
3 posted on 09/26/2001 7:34:10 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ha ha... HA HA HA!! Hee hee!
4 posted on 09/26/2001 7:36:21 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: My Favorite Headache
May be this would be a good time to turn the western part of Canada into states.
5 posted on 09/26/2001 7:39:15 PM PDT by riverrunner
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To: Sedition
BUMP
6 posted on 09/26/2001 7:40:13 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: My Favorite Headache
Oh no! I'm scared witless! What shall the free world do if the Canadians can not field the forces needed to protect freedom? We all gonna die! LOL
7 posted on 09/26/2001 7:40:34 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: My Favorite Headache
Isn't it about time we annex Canada (minus Quebec) and get it over with already. It's time to do an intervention. They gave us Alan Thicke and canadian bacon, so why can't we help them out?

We could give them real currency too, unlike that monopoly money they use.

8 posted on 09/26/2001 7:41:50 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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ok, I just can't resist this joke
The Canadian troops can take some Canadian bacon with and we all know how much the enemy LOVES pork.
ok, out of my system now.
9 posted on 09/26/2001 7:42:09 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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They go full steam ahead with all of their socialist programs
knowing full well they can mooch defense off of Uncle Sugar...
10 posted on 09/26/2001 7:42:23 PM PDT by error99
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To: Lazamataz
I heard during a town hall forum in Ontario the other night that was on that if a terrorist attack the way the one's that were planned on the 11th happened in Canada, that 40% of their entire population would be wiped out in 3 hours if done correctly. Since the nearest military base was 2 hours away from both Montreal and Toronto..the planes if the country was attacked would need to be re-filled in some cases they are so far away.

They said Western Canada has virtually no support out there and that they would have to wait 3-4 hrs for military cover! I could not believe how poor it is up there and yet people still said that this was the U.S.'s problem in the crowd and that Canada did not belong in the business of making enemies.

Oh really? Then what do you call giving us Celine Dion? A gift?

11 posted on 09/26/2001 7:42:31 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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Where's Canada? Never heard of it.
12 posted on 09/26/2001 7:43:09 PM PDT by swampfox98
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You know, I bet we could invade and win handily. Casualties wouldn't top ten, and that would be from moose related injuries. And just look at what all we'ld get: trees, trees, tundra, ice, and wimpy pilots! LET'S ROLL!
13 posted on 09/26/2001 7:43:50 PM PDT by Cleburne
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To: StoneColdGOP
Hey, meathead, it ain't funny...if it was your country, you wouldn't laugh, would you?
14 posted on 09/26/2001 7:44:00 PM PDT by habs4ever
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The Cape Breton Liberation Army might pose a problem. They use their fiddles and kilts as weapons-you've never seen such violence!
15 posted on 09/26/2001 7:45:51 PM PDT by Cleburne
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Isn't it about time we annex Canada

Ah, all those new potential Democrats (except in Alberta). It would be a veritable wet dream for the loyal opposition. And we would finally get single payor Hillarycare. Say bye bye to new cutting edge drug inventions. I sure hope they invent a drug for psoriasis which bedevils me before the shop is closed. Just yummy.

16 posted on 09/26/2001 7:46:28 PM PDT by Torie
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To: habs4ever
ROTFFLMGDAO!!
17 posted on 09/26/2001 7:46:40 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP
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To: Lazamataz
They say they are pilots and not gunfighters and therefore they wouldn't carry firearms in their cockpits.

I'd bet they'd change their mind with a knife at their throat at 30 thousand feet MSL . Stay Safe....

18 posted on 09/26/2001 7:46:53 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: My Favorite Headache
Ok, enough.You've had your fun.It's not a f'ing joke, and plenty of overtaxed Canadians are mighy pissed off with the situation, so don't be a prick and keep on keeping on with the Canada bashing.
19 posted on 09/26/2001 7:47:06 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: My Favorite Headache
A few months ago I read that Mexico City has a police force larger than Canada's Army.

At the time I thought Mexico City must have an incredibly large police force, now I suspect it is about the size of Mayberry's.

20 posted on 09/26/2001 7:48:37 PM PDT by yarddog
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