Speaker Hastert Considering National ID Card

Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews | 9-24-01 | Me

[DLfromthedesert]

Congressman David Dreier appeared on "Hannity and Colmes" Sunday night. When asked about the National ID Card, he stated that Speaker Dennis Hastert was considering it, and that under present circumstances it could not be ruled out.

[mommadooo3]

Let's think like a lunatic, as THEY are with an i.d. card.....why can't there be an i.d. card for the non-Americans' nationality?

Yes, a national i.d. card IS a pitiful knee-jerk solution! The 'law-abiding' will be the ones who will 'sign-up'. The law-abiding TERRORISTS will sign-up. (don't forget, the jihad playbook has rules on how to be assimilated into our society, so they can carry out their terrorist plots)

And the outcome of a national i.d. card? It'll be just like gun-registration.

[Gracey]

One was a military (Special Forces) veteran

What you talking about??? Tell me more - who?

[I am still Casey]

It is not a sacrifice for a person to have to identify themselves.Wake up!

We are awake -- wide awake. That's why some of us are concerned.

We already have identity cards -- SS#'s, which are now "required" for newborn infants before the parents can claim them on their tax returns as dependents. When SS#'s were issued, the government PROMISED they would NEVER be used for identification purposes. Only your employer and the SSA needed that information. How far we have come.

What, pray tell, type of national ID card could be created that cannot be counterfeited? And what's its actual purpose? To fill governmental databases with still more information on individuals and to gradually control movement by requiring that the card be used in more and more situtations?

Wake up? Too many are sleeping.

[Benrand]

These men are stupid. How in the hell would you implement it? ANd shouldn't they be doing other things?

Next, we'll see them trying to get the guns out of the street to make the cities of the US as safe as Kabul. After all, acc'dg to liberals I've heard, the one good thing the Taliban did was to get the guns out of the streets, to make the streets safer.

[outabounds]

Why don't they just implant a chip in our belly like they do for dogs and cats????? Reminds me of "Logan's Run."

[Dukie]

"We need a national ID card with our photograph and thumbprint digitized and embedded in the ID card," (Oracle CEO Larry) Ellison said in an interview Friday night on the evening news of KPIX-TV in San Francisco.

Ellison and Oracle are just the ones to provide this too. Larry, the goateed egomaniac, even resembles a minion of the prince of darkness.

[DWSUWF]

We've been distracted by our foreign enemies the last couple of weeks, but it's important to remember that we have no small number of domestic enemies as well.

Domestic enemies who, by the way, deserve PRECISELY the same fate that our foreign enemies do.

[Gracey]

Destroy the terrorists.....not our liberities!!

Personally, I believe we're at a point where we may not have a country as we know it, many of us will be dead and we'll be sent back to the stone ages - as least the few living. IMO, you may either lose some liberties NOW, or not be alive to care. I'd rather be alive to change things afterward, if we live through the next several years.

Hey, you all.... we're in a Life & Death situation in this war. We're only a little over 200 years old, and we're not invincible. Wake up!!!!

[Zorobabel]

Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. The time resist this was when they started using social security numbers as a form of ID. Now a child recieves one at birth, or shortly thereafter if you wish to claim them as a dependent. We already have national ID, and Americans are tracked from birth by the Feds and in adulthood by the credit card companies and banks. A uniform ID with digital links to the social security database, laser hologram photographs, (already in use) and a fingerprint, (already used in some states) would make it extremely difficult for illegal aliens to use forged IDs and phony SS numbers to remain in the country. No other data on you would be necessary.

[rebel_yell2]

A national ID card, REQUIRED to board an airplane, for example, but not for day to day things, kinda like a PASSPORT, makes it more difficult for these terrorists to wander around our great country. Had there been such a system in place, most, if not all, of these killers would have been caught at the gate, and we wouldn't have had the disaster we now have in NYC and DC. But, of course, if that it TOO much trouble for some of you, we can accept the status quo of hijacked planes flown into our national treasures; YOU CHOOSE.

[DB]

You are correct.

[morque2001]

Duly freeped Denny's Email. We already have a National ID card, It is the Social Security Card. Absolutely no need for another. I'm betting that soon though, it will turn into a picture ID, and it will be demanded by "any controlling legal authority".

[jslade]

You have FReep mail.

[B Knotts]

Another way you can look at it is, it could be a way to SAVE your freedoms.

That's kind of like: we had to destroy the village in order to save it.

Or, Janet Reno: we had to kill the children in order to save them.

[NautiNurse]

When I first read about this topic, I immediately thought about our passports (appropriate nomenclature for the task it serves), issued by the Dept. of State, whose data base doesn't 'talk' with the INS, an agency of the Dept. of Justice.

Go figure...

Question of the day--can someone provide some history about why these two very related agencies fall under different departments?

[Gracey]

Perhaps it won't matter, because our 200 year old country will not have the citizens to stomach this war - so we will just be annilated.

Maybe that's the ULTIMATE Freedom.

[Gracey]

annilated = annihilated

[B Knotts]

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.
- No.6

[angkor]

A national ID card, REQUIRED to board an airplane, for example, but not for day to day things, kinda like a PASSPORT, makes it more difficult for these terrorists to wander around our great country.

Amazing thought, RY.

About a month ago, Continental asked me to put my DRIVERS LICENSE into their e-ticket machine in order to fulfill the FAA mandate that all passengers must present picture ID prior to boarding. I refused, opting to wait in line and show it to them instead.

Now, what possible "national ID" would be more secure than a driver's license or passport? How would this national ID be validated? Who would issue it? How would the issuer know that you are not (or that you are) a terrorist in the U.S. under false credentials?

The only way that a "national ID" could have any security advantage over a driver's license is if it also included a background check, and the physical ID itself was designed to prevent forgery.

So the issuance of a secure "national ID" (this IS about security, yes?) would entail a H-U-G-E bureaucracy doing background checks on every single American. Think of how long it might take YOU to get your secure "national ID", not to mention the other 250 million of us.

Who does the checks on 250 million Americans? What are the criteria? And finally, who is printing and distributing these "unforgeable" ID cards?

As an example, the INS now has an "unforgeable" green card for permanent residents. Fingerprint, photo, holographics, mag stripe, etc. You know how long it takes to actually obtain this super-duper "unforgeable" green card once you've been approved for permanent residency? ONE YEAR!

Sample super-super green card, courtesy BBC.

So in addition to being an insane solution to a nonexistant problem; in addition to being an incredibly intrusive infringement on American values and liberties; in addition to there being no such thing as an "unforgeable" ID document; in addition to all of that, the impossible logistics of background checking you as a "true American" worthy of such a card, and the insanity of actually producing and distributing such a document to 250+ million Americans, well.... I think it's clear that the entire notion is absolutely insane, impractical, and pointless.

And, hell, if I were a Chinese or Nigerian or Latin American high-tech forger, I'd be firing up my super-duper "secure American ID card" equipment right now, and selling those babies to every criminal and terrorist on the planet for $2,000 a pop.

Wow, what a great idea this is.

[B Knotts]

Please tell me how law-abiding citizen carrying "papers" is going to stop terrorists.

And please tell me just what it is we're supposed to be fighting for and against. I thought we were supposed to be fighting against exactly this kind of stuff. This is a police-state proposal, not something that should be seriously considered in a constitutional republic.