Speaker Hastert Considering National ID Card

Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews | 9-24-01 | Me

[DLfromthedesert]

Congressman David Dreier appeared on "Hannity and Colmes" Sunday night. When asked about the National ID Card, he stated that Speaker Dennis Hastert was considering it, and that under present circumstances it could not be ruled out.

[DLfromthedesert]

So our Congressmen believe the way to save America is to trash our freedo. Please freep Speaker Hastert Phone:202-225-2976 fax:202-225-0697 e-mail:dhastert@mail.house.gov
Tell your representatives this is NOT an acceptable option, and that NO freedom loving American will comply.

[ppaul]

FReep time.....
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[Gracey]

Another way you can look at it is, it could be a way to SAVE your freedoms. We're in a touchy situation - and I don't understand all the ramifications....But I would like to trust our leaders until proven otherwise. I doubt there are few things the gov doesn't know about us. It's probably a way to cull out the non-legals.

[Ispy4u]

I've been carrying a national ID card for the past 12 years. Military ID.

I understand peoples distrust, the whole thing smacks of, "Papers, please!"

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

I will NEVER accept such a national ID card. This is a knee-jerk reaction which will not prevent terrorism but will reduce our liberties. What is the case for such a card? They talk about the card but make no real argument for it that makes sense. BEWARE OF THIS!!!!

[Gracey]

Yes, it is understandable. I've worked for the Feds all my life and had to show a badge. Also, I consider my driver's license an ID. It has a scanner (w/all pertinent data) and they've got my SSN and a thumbprint.

[ppaul]

This is it.
Every FReeper oughta be willing to go to jail if need be for refusing to go along with this national ID system.
You are 100 percent right, Ispy. That is EXACTLY what it means -
"Your papers please. Und ver are your papers? Und vy don't you haf zem vit you? Guard - arrest zis untermenschen! Seig heil!"

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who said,
"A people who will sacrifice freedom for safety are worthy of neither."

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[DWSUWF]

"...Another way you can look at it is, it could be a way to SAVE your freedoms. We're in a touchy situation - and I don't understand all the ramifications....But I would like to trust our leaders until proven otherwise. I doubt there are few things the gov doesn't know about us. It's probably a way to cull out the non-legals..."

LOL!

Good one!

[ppaul]

Consider the source -
a lifetime gubbamint employee. They've been programmed.

[DB]

I don't believe they will do it.

If they do... I will not be assimilated…

[RightOnline]

These numbskulls just can't seem to understand one little detail here: Such an ID card is only worthwhile if a Bad Guy can't get one or if it's impossible to counterfeit.

Anyone wanna bet their freedom on the above? I don't, either.

Why is it they don't think of these things??

Shoot, folks.........some of these terrorists had Social Security cards. One was a military (Special Forces) veteran. Hel-loooooo????

Nope. Count me out for The Card. Next thing you know, they'll co-opt AmEx's tag line: "Don't leave home without it!"

[gunnedah]

I am an old man and have had all these freedoms and do not wish to be a police state but some things need to be held in check.Most of you would want a pedophile identified in your neighborhood if you have kids,most want to know if a contagious disease were spreading,you would want to head off the WTC again. It is not a sacrifice for a person to have to identify themselves.Wake up! It will not affect what little time I may have left but I see drugs decimating our society,our country being overrun by illegals,our elections being controlled by those inelgible or illegal to vote.I see criminals walking the streets and making a mockery of the criminal justice system and God knows what my children and grand children will see.As long as we keep the jury system in place and if the Supreme Court consisted of several lay people we could handle most of it. The biggest problem in America today is that we have too many laws and not enough accountability for our governing systems.Laws are written for lawyers and criminals.Government is never held accountable regardless of what anyone says and last but the most important in the name of the law America no longer has any morals.

[from occupied ga]

could be a way to SAVE your freedoms

This is saving freedom the same way Reinhart Reno saved the children at Waco. Here are some people who trusted their government and accepted national ID cards (their government also had a "department of internal security" called the Sicherheit Dienst")

I'm really curious just how you think turning the US into a police state ("Halt! Show Papers.") is going to save freedom. What freedom to you think that this will save. The freedom to be taxed? The freedom to have warrentless searches? The freedom to be arrested because you did not have your identity papers?

[Dubh_Ghlase]

Hey Guy!

The move is to probably have the ID cards be "smart cards" with a chip containing biometric information about the carrier (retinal scan, thumb print, perhaps even DNA information later. Ever see the movie GATTICA?) Anyway, the sheeple are lining up for this, thinking by getting branded it will keep out unbranded strays. However, you're still a body in a cattle yard, heading for the slaughterhouse.

Drudge had a report out last night on this that I saved because it was right out of Revelations 13. To see in print the words of our "leaders" mouthing this swill knocked me for a loop. Examples:

"We are in a new world," Gephardt said. "This event will change the balance between freedom and security."

"We need a national ID card with our photograph and thumbprint digitized and embedded in the ID card," (Oracle CEO Larry) Ellison said in an interview Friday night on the evening news of KPIX-TV in San Francisco.

(PM Tony) Blair has opted for a voluntary scheme in issuing the card, rejecting a compulsory "on demand" card because of connotations with Nazi Germany, where lack of proper identity cards could result in instant arrest, according to reports. However, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to live a normal life without the new ID card in England - possession of a valid card will be necessary for boarding an aircraft, buying gas, opening a bank account, starting a job or claiming government benefits.

In a nationwide poll released Sunday, a stunning 85% of Brits would welcome a national ID card system in the wake of the terrorist attacks on the United States, with an overwhelming majority calling for the cards to be packed with information to clearly identify the holder: These include photograph (97%), date of birth (96%) eye color (92%), a finger print (85%), DNA details (75%), criminal records (74%) and religion (67%).

And there's more in the article. Scary stuff, eh buddy?

[DWSUWF]

"...Consider the source - ..."

I can visualize this vacuous lump of clay, disengaged from reality, with their every word and action obscenely and utterly in opposition to what made this nation great

Some people shouldn't breed.

And some people are the living proof that this simple rule applied to their parents.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Religion? But say I'm a Baptist on Sundays, an Adventist on Saturdays, and a Catholic the rest of the week. But last year I professed Judaism but before that I was a Buddhist. Let's see them get all THAT in the idiotic card.

Scary thing is Hastert is #3 in line for Presidency. If Bush is ambushed and Cheney has a heart attack over it, Hastert becomes our new pres.

[rebel]

Isn't about fifty years of eroding and lost freedoms enough evidence for you? Problem is....most are so used to it they don't know how free Americans once were. If this attack turns into an excuse to accomplish in a time of crisis what they could not accomplish otherwise........I for one will be really pissed and disappointed.

Destroy the terrorists.....not our liberities!!

[LeftyStomper]

Mr. Hastert has been freeped!

[Gracey]

They've been programmed.

Someone has to protect those gov secrets. :-) But you're right. Those of us in the military or Fed have been used to ID, fingerprints and the whole gamot...necessary for our jobs.

Look at it this way.... we can use it to vote also - get rid of the illegals at the polls.