Yep, voting has really proved to work. It doesn't matter who is in office, I STILL do not trust them.
A government that doesn't trust it's people is a government that can't be trusted !!
Posted on 09/24/2001 2:42:22 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
Congressman David Dreier appeared on "Hannity and Colmes" Sunday night. When asked about the National ID Card, he stated that Speaker Dennis Hastert was considering it, and that under present circumstances it could not be ruled out.
I make quite a good living correcting the great (sic) products that Oracle sells. The more they sell, the more work I have correcting their "products" so that they actually work.
---max
"Gracey" admited earlier that she's worked for the federal government her whole life. She is a government dependent. Of course she's willing to see the government expand its unconstitutional powers. She's part of the problem and one of the parasites on the economy that the rest of us have to carry. Hell, she probably labors under the delusion that what she does is necessary.
I did too.... we switched from INFORMIX..... (retired now)
I sincerely hope that if Mr Ellison is suck-sessful, you find another developer to assist! .....cause Oracle becomes a common target for all that which patriots despise!
I called into a WABC radio talk show last night, late, and the host Mark something or other, in favor of the card. Yet during the hour that I listened, he NEVER told us how the card would help, and I finally got disgusted and called in.
When I asked him how it would stop an attack like this, he said it would have kept these people from buying airline tickets. I corrected him, and said that the attackers were not citizens, but here on visas, and would not need an ID card. He then said "Well, yeah, but they had expired visas."
I just shook my head in disbelief at his logic. I said "How would my having to have an ID card keep them from flying with an expired visa?" His reply was something like "INS doesn't have the money or the manpower to track down all of these expired visas." Now we were getting somewhere. I said "Maybe we need to give INS the money and manpower? Instead of forcing me to carry a card?" in a somewhat condescending manner.
He almost ashamedly agreed.
But then went on and on about how it's important to know for sure, who it is getting on the plane, for safty's sake.
My parting comment was "What good does it do to know for sure that it was Jim from CT that blew your plane to smitherines? The plane is gone. No body was any safer. Do something that makes people safer, not something that makes them think they are safer!" or something like that.
I hope I got through to him and some of his bonehead listeners. I am pleased to say that calls were about 50/50 for/against the ID card.
Yep, voting has really proved to work. It doesn't matter who is in office, I STILL do not trust them.
A government that doesn't trust it's people is a government that can't be trusted !!
Yes. And, frightening.
FReep Hastert.
FReep your congressman/woman.
FReep the White House.
This threat to our precious liberty is real and insidious.
As Rush Limbaugh made clear on his broadcast today, it will take vigilance to put a stop to this.
To vote in any election, one would have to present the national ID card, with a picture, in order to vote. Wouldn't this cut down on the number of illegal aliens and green-card holders voting for the demonrats?
The talk show host wasn't Mark Davis, was it?
Even though you are joking, in principle this would have worked. Or, even if they had just all taken off their shoes and thrown them at the terrorists in unison.
The problem is that the terrorists were claiming that they had a bomb, and that the passengers would be safe if they just complied.
I don't know how you pass a law against Claiming To Have A Bomb On An Airplane. I mean, you can *do* it, but a terrorist has already demonstrated willingness to break laws, so it doesn't accomplish anything.
Which is precisely why I can't stand all these suggestions being bandied about, trying to fix precisely the wrong problems. The problem was not that the people on that plane had no ID cards - that wouldn't have stopped it. The problem was not that the terrorists were able to bring razor blades onto a plane - it was perfectly legal and even if it weren't, they could have done what they did with Farber ball point pens. (We gonna ban those too?)
I can think of some real problems which ought to be addressed: Such as (1) that they were let into the country in the first place, (2) some of them were given taxpayer money to study their plane-flying skills, (3) some of them had expired visas but weren't deported, (4) some of them were known by the FBI to have terrorist links but weren't deported, and (5) there is a doorway rather than a strong bulkhead between the passengers and cockpit of these airplanes.
It is things like 1 through 5 which ought to be addressed and fixed. National ID cards will not help doing this one iota.
The whole thing is like amputating an arm because someone has heart disease. It makes no sense, doesn't address the problem, and makes you wonder why they are doing it.
The talk show host wasn't Mark Davis, was it?
6) No one on board the planes had any means of self-defense, because of federal law.
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