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Speaker Hastert Considering National ID Card
Hannity and Colmes, FoxNews | 9-24-01 | Me

Posted on 09/24/2001 2:42:22 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert

Congressman David Dreier appeared on "Hannity and Colmes" Sunday night. When asked about the National ID Card, he stated that Speaker Dennis Hastert was considering it, and that under present circumstances it could not be ruled out.


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To: t-shirt
Anyone planning to urge their company to purchase more Oracle products?
101 posted on 09/24/2001 10:06:23 AM PDT by cbkaty
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To: DLfromthedesert
This brings to mind a Ray Bradbury story about a man stopped by the police ( now run robotically ) for doing nothing more than walking alone at night while the rest of society stayed indoors.
102 posted on 09/24/2001 10:08:07 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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To: cbkaty
Anyone planning to urge their company to purchase more Oracle products?

I make quite a good living correcting the great (sic) products that Oracle sells. The more they sell, the more work I have correcting their "products" so that they actually work.

---max

104 posted on 09/24/2001 10:10:36 AM PDT by max61
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To: max61
You asked of "Gracey", Are you for real?. Just what rationale can you have to justify "trusting" anyone within the Federal government

"Gracey" admited earlier that she's worked for the federal government her whole life. She is a government dependent. Of course she's willing to see the government expand its unconstitutional powers. She's part of the problem and one of the parasites on the economy that the rest of us have to carry. Hell, she probably labors under the delusion that what she does is necessary.

105 posted on 09/24/2001 10:11:08 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: max61
I make quite a good living correcting the great (sic) products that Oracle sells. The more they sell, the more work I have correcting their "products" so that they actually work.

I did too.... we switched from INFORMIX..... (retired now)

I sincerely hope that if Mr Ellison is suck-sessful, you find another developer to assist! .....cause Oracle becomes a common target for all that which patriots despise!

106 posted on 09/24/2001 10:15:16 AM PDT by cbkaty
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To: piasa
Look; if Sean asked him would you consider putting al Arab Americans in intern camps, would he say "Well, we're not ruling anything out. These are extreme times that may call for extreme measures" ??? Of course not, because he would say it's a preposterous notion. That's what I wanted him to say about this idea; but he didn't; he said EXACTLY what I have in quotes.
107 posted on 09/24/2001 10:15:50 AM PDT by DLfromthedesert
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To: B Knotts
This hasn't been a Constitutional Republic in some time and you can see just how eager some of these people are to bury it and erect the headstone.
And all so that they can "feel" a little safer!
108 posted on 09/24/2001 10:20:24 AM PDT by Scarlet Pimpernel
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
No one has been able to tell us just how this card would have stopped the attacks. For that reason alone, we should reject the proposal. Not to mention that it is unamerican, unconstitutional, and immoral.

I called into a WABC radio talk show last night, late, and the host Mark something or other, in favor of the card. Yet during the hour that I listened, he NEVER told us how the card would help, and I finally got disgusted and called in.

When I asked him how it would stop an attack like this, he said it would have kept these people from buying airline tickets. I corrected him, and said that the attackers were not citizens, but here on visas, and would not need an ID card. He then said "Well, yeah, but they had expired visas."

I just shook my head in disbelief at his logic. I said "How would my having to have an ID card keep them from flying with an expired visa?" His reply was something like "INS doesn't have the money or the manpower to track down all of these expired visas." Now we were getting somewhere. I said "Maybe we need to give INS the money and manpower? Instead of forcing me to carry a card?" in a somewhat condescending manner.

He almost ashamedly agreed.

But then went on and on about how it's important to know for sure, who it is getting on the plane, for safty's sake.

My parting comment was "What good does it do to know for sure that it was Jim from CT that blew your plane to smitherines? The plane is gone. No body was any safer. Do something that makes people safer, not something that makes them think they are safer!" or something like that.

I hope I got through to him and some of his bonehead listeners. I am pleased to say that calls were about 50/50 for/against the ID card.

109 posted on 09/24/2001 10:23:57 AM PDT by Critter
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To: Gracey
Look at it this way.... we can use it to vote also - get rid of the illegals at the polls.

Yep, voting has really proved to work. It doesn't matter who is in office, I STILL do not trust them.

A government that doesn't trust it's people is a government that can't be trusted !!


110 posted on 09/24/2001 10:28:16 AM PDT by unixfox
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To: austingirl
This is sickening.

Yes. And, frightening.

FReep Hastert.
FReep your congressman/woman.
FReep the White House.

This threat to our precious liberty is real and insidious.
As Rush Limbaugh made clear on his broadcast today, it will take vigilance to put a stop to this.

111 posted on 09/24/2001 10:28:37 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Scarlet Pimpernel
IF we are going to have the National ID shoved down our throats, couldn't we turn it to our advantage?

To vote in any election, one would have to present the national ID card, with a picture, in order to vote. Wouldn't this cut down on the number of illegal aliens and green-card holders voting for the demonrats?

113 posted on 09/24/2001 10:38:23 AM PDT by Ax
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To: notsofree
BUMP
114 posted on 09/24/2001 10:38:40 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: DLfromthedesert
I have always wondered why they mandate an ID for legal aliens but not illegal ones. Now Hastert want an ID for all citizens, but foreigners and illegal aliens, the cesspool of terrorism, will be left untouched again. What a crock of dung. This sounds like gun control: control the legal eagles, let the snoops roam free, ah! what a joke.
115 posted on 09/24/2001 10:39:07 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Mia T
ping.
116 posted on 09/24/2001 10:40:36 AM PDT by ppaul
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To: Critter
You did quite well from the sound of things. In fact I would like to shamelessly life parts of your argument for future use :)

The talk show host wasn't Mark Davis, was it?

117 posted on 09/24/2001 10:55:44 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: no-s
Well, they could have taken the little indestructible plastic cards in hand and brandished them when they charged the box-cutters.

Even though you are joking, in principle this would have worked. Or, even if they had just all taken off their shoes and thrown them at the terrorists in unison.

The problem is that the terrorists were claiming that they had a bomb, and that the passengers would be safe if they just complied.

I don't know how you pass a law against Claiming To Have A Bomb On An Airplane. I mean, you can *do* it, but a terrorist has already demonstrated willingness to break laws, so it doesn't accomplish anything.

Which is precisely why I can't stand all these suggestions being bandied about, trying to fix precisely the wrong problems. The problem was not that the people on that plane had no ID cards - that wouldn't have stopped it. The problem was not that the terrorists were able to bring razor blades onto a plane - it was perfectly legal and even if it weren't, they could have done what they did with Farber ball point pens. (We gonna ban those too?)

I can think of some real problems which ought to be addressed: Such as (1) that they were let into the country in the first place, (2) some of them were given taxpayer money to study their plane-flying skills, (3) some of them had expired visas but weren't deported, (4) some of them were known by the FBI to have terrorist links but weren't deported, and (5) there is a doorway rather than a strong bulkhead between the passengers and cockpit of these airplanes.

It is things like 1 through 5 which ought to be addressed and fixed. National ID cards will not help doing this one iota.

The whole thing is like amputating an arm because someone has heart disease. It makes no sense, doesn't address the problem, and makes you wonder why they are doing it.

118 posted on 09/24/2001 10:56:31 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Critter
You did quite well from the sound of things. In fact I would like to shamelessly lift parts of your argument for future use :)

The talk show host wasn't Mark Davis, was it?

119 posted on 09/24/2001 10:56:32 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: ppaul
Let me add one more point:

6) No one on board the planes had any means of self-defense, because of federal law.

120 posted on 09/24/2001 11:02:53 AM PDT by B Knotts
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