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Sea Level Study Reveals Atlantis Candidate
NewScientist.com ^ | 9-19-2001 | Jon Copley

Posted on 09/19/2001 9:10:00 PM PDT by blam

Sea level study reveals Atlantis candidate

19:00 19 September 01
Jon Copley

It sounds a familiar enough yarn - a lone researcher claiming to have pinpointed the lost land of Atlantis famously described by Plato. But this time there is no mention of "supercivilisations", UFOs or magic crystals. Instead, he has turned the clock back on ancient rises in sea level to reveal an island that matches Plato's story.

Plato's works Timaeus and Critias contain the first written descriptions of Atlantis and its watery fate, drawn from stories collected in Egypt. "These texts are the origin of a lot of speculation about Atlantis," says Jacques Collina-Girard of the University of the Mediterranean in Aix-en-Provence.

"Curiously, nobody has really taken seriously the most obvious location," Collina-Girard adds. According to Plato, Atlantis lay just in front of the Pillars of Hercules - what we now call the Strait of Gibraltar - and disappeared around 9000 BC.

Collina-Girard was interested in patterns of human migration from Europe into North Africa at the height of the last ice age, 19,000 years ago. To see if Palaeolithic people could have crossed the strait, he made a map of what the western European coastline looked like at that time, when the sea level was 130 metres lower than it is now. His reconstruction of the area reveals an ancient archipelago, with an island at the spot where Plato described Atlantis.

Rising tide

"There was an island in front of the 'Pillars of Hercules'," says Collina-Girard. Named Spartel, it lay to the west of the Strait of Gibraltar just as Plato described. The Strait was longer and narrower than today, and enclosed a harbour-like inland sea that Plato mentions as the setting for Atlantis.

Just over 11,000 years ago, the slow rise of post-glacial sea levels accelerated briefly to more than two metres per century, according to records from coral reefs. This would have swamped the island, Collina-Girard suggests. "The archipelago was engulfed 9000 years before Plato," he says.

There are a few facts that don't match Plato's story, however. Plato describes Atlantis as larger than Libya and Asia put together, whereas Collina-Girard's island is 14 kilometres long by five kilometres wide. He argues that a mistake was made in converting Egyptian units of length into Greek units as the story was passed down.

Plato also reports that volcanic activity sank Atlantis, but this may have been a case of embellishment, says Collina-Girard. "The Greeks were familiar with volcanic eruptions," he notes. To them, such a fate might have been more dramatic and plausible than a change in sea level.

As for an advanced Atlantean civilisation, Collina-Girard points to Plato's own admission that he grafted these details onto the tale to present his ideas about a Utopian society.

Long yarn

The lower sea levels of 11,000 years ago would have exposed many islands, says Bill Ryan of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, New York.(Ryan & Pittman are the guys that discovered the Black Sea Flood, Noah's Flood?)

Ryan has examined evidence for the Noah and Gilgamesh flood stories around the Black Sea. But he cautions that the story of Atlantis would have needed to survive down the generations for 9000 years in Egypt before being recorded by the Greeks. "The difficulty here is correct translation of nouns and adjectives passed down by the oral tradition as languages change and evolve," he says.

Collina-Girard suggests that the archipelago could have provided stepping stones for primitive sailors to cross between Europe and North Africa. "The coasts of Spain and Morocco were inhabited at the time, so certainly these islands were too," he says. A prehistoric culture spread rapidly in Morocco around 20,000 years ago. "Traditionally this came from the east, but why not from the north?" he asks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atlantis; catastrophism; critias; gibraltar; godsgravesglyphs; pillarsofhercules; plato; spartel; sunkencivilizations; timaeus
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I've always speculated that if Atlantis did exist that it would be 10,000+ years ago. Time to have Mr. Ballard go look at this spot. (I hope it's not to early to start posting this stuff again)
1 posted on 09/19/2001 9:10:00 PM PDT by blam
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2 posted on 09/19/2001 9:18:29 PM PDT by blam
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3 posted on 09/19/2001 9:19:26 PM PDT by blam
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4 posted on 09/19/2001 9:20:21 PM PDT by blam
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Thanks, nice change of pace, life does go on, but with war always there to see in the back of our minds and on the TV screens with the missing towers and the bombed out Pentagon.
5 posted on 09/19/2001 9:24:02 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas
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Not only is Plato the earliest source for "Atlantis," he is the only source.
6 posted on 09/19/2001 9:31:35 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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Is that what Iraq and Afghanistan will look like in a couple of days? A couple of sunken islands?
7 posted on 09/19/2001 9:33:28 PM PDT by RightWhale
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"Is that what Iraq and Afghanistan will look like in a couple of days?"

We can hope, huh?

8 posted on 09/19/2001 9:36:31 PM PDT by blam
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"Not only is Plato the earliest source for "Atlantis," he is the only source."

You are 100% correct. (I wish it were otherwise)

9 posted on 09/19/2001 9:38:48 PM PDT by blam
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10 posted on 09/19/2001 9:40:28 PM PDT by blam
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The lower sea levels of 11,000 years ago

So this island disappeared just in the last 100 years or so? Has to be, since we all know about global warming, and how the raising sea levels are caused by cars.

11 posted on 09/19/2001 9:44:09 PM PDT by T. P. Pole
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Not only is Plato the earliest source for "Atlantis," he is the only source.

Not true!

12 posted on 09/19/2001 9:44:46 PM PDT by #3Fan
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Thanks, just saw it.

Don't buy it though seems too small. Plato also speaks of it sending great armies abroad so I would think the island would have been larger and what would have been the source of its great power?

At least it isn't trying to convince me that it is Santorini.

13 posted on 09/19/2001 9:53:32 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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Don't buy it though seems too small. Plato also speaks of it sending great armies abroad so I would think the island would have been larger and what would have been the source of its great power?

Not to mention the 300 mile long, 100 mile wide plain that existed in the middle.

14 posted on 09/20/2001 12:43:05 AM PDT by #3Fan
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I think Atlantis was a work of fiction that ended up a legend. In my mind it kind of rates right up there with the face on Mars. :)
15 posted on 09/20/2001 3:00:52 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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Just over 11,000 years ago, the slow rise of post-glacial sea levels accelerated briefly to more than two metres per century, according to records from coral reefs. This would have swamped the island, Collina-Girard suggests. "The archipelago was engulfed 9000 years before Plato," he says.
You mean they had global warming back then? </sarcasm>
16 posted on 09/20/2001 4:01:45 AM PDT by Hugh Akston
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Intresting. Thanks. Makes a lot more sense than the other places its thought to have been.
17 posted on 09/20/2001 6:05:20 AM PDT by Ditter
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This seems pretty speculative to me. It would be fun to do an ocean floor archaelogical survey to see if there are artifacts or evidence of construction, but that's true of just about every place on the continental shelves today.
18 posted on 09/20/2001 6:15:47 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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Yep.
19 posted on 09/20/2001 6:48:47 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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I still prefer the Thera eruption and tidal waves on Crete affecting the Minoans.
20 posted on 09/20/2001 7:19:21 AM PDT by cogitator
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