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A Religious Evil
FrontPageMag.com ^ | September 17, 2001 | Spencer Phillips

Posted on 09/17/2001 10:44:08 AM PDT by Radioheart

A Religious Evil
By Spencer Phillips
In blaming the recent terror bombings on pagans, feminists, gays, the ACLU and People for the American Way, Jerry Falwell revealed himself to be theologically akin to the Islamic fundamentalists now attacking America. continue…


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To: Malcolm
If you really think that Falwell and bin Laden are one and the same, you're an idiot

No, but they, and all religious fanatics, are but different flavors of the same dish. If radical christians had the chance, they would be just as dangerous as anyone and they have proven this time and time again. Religion is the cause, not the solution.

Your assumption that all conservatives are Christian is off base. Many conservatives view the radical Christians as a threat to conservatism. Falwell and Robertson and many of the "God is great" posters here create more votes for democrats than the best DNC rally ever will.

21 posted on 09/17/2001 12:04:50 PM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Blue Screen of Death
What did God ever do to you? Even Jesus made a distinction between religious fanaticism and true faith and godliness. One uses its own idea of God's will to achieve its own end. The other recognizes with humility that without God we are nothing, thus we commit all that we are to Him.
22 posted on 09/17/2001 12:22:08 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: AppyPappy
He apologized yesterday at the D-Day memorial. He even bowed out of the event to avoid controversy.

He sure took his time about apologizing. The initial message on his web page was merely that he regretted that his comments were "taken out of their context and reported". In other words, he was sorry he got caught.

Now Falwell has finally buckled under the weight of the public relations backlash, and has issued a somewhat more extensive apologia (although even that is qualified and appears limited to regret over the timing of his remarks).

As to Falwell's explanation that his remarks were taken out of context, that's ludicrous. The context was very clear: He was placing at least part of the blame for the WTC attack on his laundry list of enemies. If Falwell doesn't like the damage this has done to his image and his beliefs, then he has only himself to blame.

23 posted on 09/17/2001 12:27:08 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: samuel_7
God does not inspire His followers to take revenge on a random collection of people working in an office building.

Actually, he does a lot worse than that. He personally killed every man, woman, and child in Sodom and Gomorrah, and he directed the Israelites to kill every man, woman, and child in Jericho and Ai (except for Rachav the harlot). When they did not kill all the Gibeonites as they had been directed, God was angry with them.

25 posted on 09/17/2001 1:05:17 PM PDT by Barak
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To: Radioheart
The Second Coming As Government Entitlement

Actually, the argument can be made (and will be here) that Falwell and Robertson are to blame, due to their overriding support of Israel for their own religious reasons. After all, without the Book of Revelation, would Israel mean more to the United States than, say, Costa Rica? According to Joseph Sobran, the headline of the Washington Times on the morning of the attacks read "Bush 'Tilt' to Israel Provokes Arab World" (this was published before the planes hit). Even the War Party admits our foreign policy was a factor in the attacks....
26 posted on 09/17/2001 1:31:42 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: Barak
Are you suggesting that the people in the New York WTC were equal to the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah?
People were not targeted based on lifestyles or political views.

They were not targeted for being Jewish or Christian.

They were targeted by humans simply because they were in the United States.

God causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

"... a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.
They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me."
John 16:2-3
27 posted on 09/17/2001 1:34:15 PM PDT by samuel_7
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To: ikka
40,000,000 babies that have been murdered by either tearing thier limbs from their bodies, burning them with saline, or punturing thier skulls and sucking their brains out. This is not only murder, but torture. As if this isn't bad enough, we have (in the past) subsidized other countries to do the same to their children, along with the other immorality our leaders have exported around the globe. The thing about abortion is that we know it can never happen to us. But now we know that buildings can fall upon us and we can be burnt alive in fires and be dismemberd by falling debris. These acts were done out of selfish hatred. Is that any different than the motive for abortions?

I love this nation and will lay down my life for it when I am called to do so. Not only this, but I will lay my life down for anyone.

Falwell's words were poorly chosen, granted.

God is love, yes, indeed. He is also Holy and just. How can He bless a nation that permits, endorses and continues in such barbaric atrocities? Often, we focus on God's loving nature, but neglect His Justice and then rage against His justice.

I am horrified by what happened on 09-11-01. But, I believe we have merely received what we thought would/could never happen to us, but what we allow to be done to our children.

Is God love? Yes! Is God just? Absolutely! Was this the work of God? NO! But we have seen that He can and does often remove His hand of protection from His children when they are in rebellion against Him.

I love this nation, I love the Lord and I love Americans (my neighbors). Falwell's comments were essentially the truth, but weren't told in love. He could have spoken and allowed God to convict our hearts, but he chose to be self-righteous and condemn. Condemnation is from the flesh, where conviction is from the Spirit. That was Falwell's big mistake.

Praying for our President, military, publice servants, victim's families and our great nation. And I pray that we will turn our hearts to Him who is able and desires to redeem us to Him.

baa

28 posted on 09/17/2001 1:35:50 PM PDT by woollyone
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To: Blue Screen of Death
A refresher course in reading comprhension is advised for you. Not once did I say God did this. But you'll notice that He didn't stop it either.

BTW, where's your outrage for the babies? Oh...that's different right? Horrible deaths are OK as long as it can't happen to YOU!

30 posted on 09/17/2001 2:02:18 PM PDT by woollyone
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To: samuel_7
Are you suggesting that the people in the New York WTC were equal to the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Please try not to change the subject.

I'm refuting your statement that "God does not inspire His followers to take revenge on a random collection of people working in an office building." Scriptural precedent would tend to indicate that occasionally he does.

Although an analysis of the differences between the people in WTC #1 and #2 (or your office building or mine) on the one hand, and the people in Sodom and Gomorrah on the other, might be interesting.

People were not targeted based on lifestyles or political views. They were not targeted for being Jewish or Christian.

How do you know why people were targeted? The terrorists didn't target people, they targeted buildings. They weren't the ones in control of who was in the buildings and who wasn't.

31 posted on 09/17/2001 2:06:11 PM PDT by Barak
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To: Barak
Are you suggesting that the people in the New York WTC
were equal to theinhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Please try not to change the subject.

My friend, you are the one who brought up Sodom and Gomorrah.

I'm refuting your statement that "God does not inspire His followers to take revenge on a
random collection of people working in an office building." Scriptural precedent would tend
to indicate that occasionally he does

Are you saying that in the 21st century God inspires his followers to commit terrorism?

How do you know why people were targeted? The terrorists didn't target people, they targeted buildings. They weren't the ones in control of who was in the buildings and who wasn't.

If they weren't targeting people, why didn't they attack late at night when there would be fewer causualties?

It seems that killing lots of people in the United States was a critical part of the plan.
32 posted on 09/17/2001 5:17:06 PM PDT by samuel_7
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To: woollyone
Well Said!

"Is God love? Yes! Is God just? Absolutely! Was this the work of God? NO! But we have seen that He can and does often remove His hand of protection from His children when they are in rebellion against Him."

As I pondered the results of this terrible act I couldn't help but think the same thing. God has lifted his hand of protection from the USA even if for a brief moment in time.

"God is love, yes, indeed. He is also Holy and just. How can He bless a nation that permits, endorses and continues in such barbaric atrocities? Often, we focus on God's loving nature, but neglect His Justice and then rage against His justice."

Everything you mention in your reply is enough to cause a curse from God Almighty! (ie: Abortion, Homosexuality, Bearing False Witness which includes most Liberal Political advertisements) sin is sin, we all stand guilty without our Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. (I do not consider this fanaticism but I am a Fantastically saved by Jesus)

My mind was immediately brought to the scripture in Gen 12:3 where God was talking to Abram (name was later changed to Abraham for the hermeneutically impaired).

Gen 12:3
I will bless those who bless you,
and whoever curses you I will curse;
and all peoples on earth 
will be blessed through you."  NIV

This may not mean much to non-Christians in this thread but I seem to remember our XPOTUS trying to build his legacy for world peace, namely in the middle east between Israel and the Palestinians. I have heard reported by Limbaugh and Savage that xPres. Clinton (spit) sent James Carville (spit) and company to Israel to help bring Ehud Barak in power from the Labor Party. We know what kind of trouble they stirred up here in Florida in 2000 when Al Gore tried to steal the election, this group is very capable of wreaking havoc during election time. The main thrust of the negotiations revolved around this "Land for Peace" initiative. He needed someone like Barak to help propagate this deal, Benjamin Netanyahu was certainly stalling his progress. From a military point of view (which I am not military, just using a little common sense) this would have been devastating for Israel, there was simply not enough of a land buffer for Israel to respond to a surprise attack by the muslims. Not to mention Arafat has never denounced his position to completely annihilate Israel, even if he did he would not mean it. xPres. Clintons (spit) self centered drive to have this legacy seemed to have been supported by at least 60% of America (according to the polls of the time). Special elections were held in Israel and ushered in Ariel Sharon who is now in charge. Israel woke up it seems. We all know what Clintons (spit) legacy is.

Did America inadvertently curse the nation of Israel supporting this Land for Peace initiative? Has God sent America a wake up call?

I understand now what it means to mourn for our nation. Watching a nation seemingly self destruct under the guise of Prenatal Murder, Multiculturalism, Tolerance of vile affections which has helped perpetuate one of the deadliest diseases known to man. God does not have to rain fire and brimstone on America, all he has to do is briefly lift his hand of protection off of us. He has certainly did it to Israel in the past. I though of Achan and his sin that caused the Lord's anger to burn, people died, Joshua purged the sin and Israel remained strong.

woollyone, your insight is tremendous, I hope you share your thoughts on this matter with others. Sorry for the long post however in the essence of bandwidth I could not go into as much detail about my though as I wanted too.

For those who wish to flame me, be my guest, I have certainly seen enough anti-christian rhetoric in this and other threads to think this post in your minds may warrant it. I, on the other hand do not wish to turn this into a Bible study with a gazillion threads. I am just posting my thoughts. If this has already been mentioned in another post please forgive my duplication, I work for a living and can't live here on FReeRepublic, even though I would like too.

May God Bless America Again!

33 posted on 09/17/2001 6:42:29 PM PDT by BA63
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