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KISS THE NOTION OF SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE GOODBYE!!!
FR | 09/15/01 | ServesURight

Posted on 09/15/2001 10:31:50 AM PDT by ServesURight

The United States of America is a Christian nation again.

The Terrorist attacks have renewed America's faith in God. There will be no more ACLU/People for the American Way lawyers screaming about politicians and government officials openly praying anymore.

There will no more lawsuits against city officials and residents who display religious symbols during Christmas. No more outrage against high-school teams praying before games, no more Supreme Court decisions.

The atheists at the ACLU were probably defecating in their pants at the site of Congress and President attending the National Cathedral, and at the site of millions of Americans holding candlelight vigils and prayer groups across the country.

I dare the Left to make "seperation of church and state" an issue now.


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To: eddie willers
Please explain to me exactly why for 170 years of our culture, children were taught to read from primers filled with Biblical scriptures, if not the scriptures themselves, if the founders were so damn concerned about seperating Church from State? And why it is only since the 1960s that our courts suddenly discovered what the Founders REALLY thought, and began to legislate from the bench new law that scrubbed God and Christ out of our culture?

Wake up. The Constitution was designed to protect the Church FROM the State; the Protestants and the Catholics didn't want the Federal Government attacking sects of Christianity based on who the President sided with, as had happened in England with the ruling houses as kings and queens came into power and attacked the masses.

John Jay, first Chief Justice of the Supereme Court said that of COURSE we should choose Christians for our leaders. Washington said that our country was designed for a religious people; that no one could rule in the absence of that base.

Christianity is on the way back as the people discover that they themselves cannot control the world. (Being wiser than Satan, who was cast out for his own arrogance.) Wake up. God is back.

141 posted on 09/15/2001 12:19:32 PM PDT by 50sDad
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To: eddie willers
eddie, eddie; "apples & oranges;" we are talking about the difference of a State in which the secular government is run by one religion (or sect) wherein the rules & leaders of that sect are the supreme authority (Iran under the "Mullahs ", Afganistan under the Taliban "Mullahs") and in which religious & secular authority are separate--& secular authority trumps religious authority in political matters (USA).

Our First amendment clearly states that political authority cannot generate a state-sponsored/run/sanctioned religious structure with ANY political authority.

We have, & probably will always be a nation whose citizens are strongly religious (most of them). As long as the First Amendment "Holds," we will Never Be a nation in which ANY religion has ANY political power (UNLIKE Iran & Afganistan)!

HUGH DIFFERENCE!

Doc

142 posted on 09/15/2001 12:20:10 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
They favor a theocracy -- not rule by the people but rule by Those Who Know the Will of God.

I favor a democracy as a theocracy is a unattainable. Course, it doesn't hurt to have people who see things in terms of right and wrong running a country. Surely even you can agree with that.

144 posted on 09/15/2001 12:23:52 PM PDT by the808bass
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To: NAMMARINE
Thank you! The point precisely!
145 posted on 09/15/2001 12:24:39 PM PDT by Paranoid-Pessimist
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To: eddie willers
Don't confuse my wish not to be yoked to religion with pacifism.

I'm not confused about this. But I respectfully submit that YOU are. Read this and tell us about your views on it. Don't worry. It's purely and completely secular, and intended to be a rational, thoughtful reconsideration of the intentional destruction of our core cultural values. That's all. So tell us about it.


146 posted on 09/15/2001 12:25:22 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: Paranoid-Pessimist
Fine, show me where it says so in the Constitution -- the Supreme Law of the Land.

Read this: http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ref7.htm
and get back to me.

147 posted on 09/15/2001 12:26:11 PM PDT by jess35
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To: the808bass
And vicey versa? What if the government becomes involved in the affairs of the church? Is that a violation of the 1st amendment? Or does freedom only run the way you want it to?

I have NEVER supported governmental intrusion into the affairs of the Church.

148 posted on 09/15/2001 12:28:40 PM PDT by jess35
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To: In pursuit of truth
We are being attacked by muslims because we are a Christian nation.

The U.S.A. may have been a Christian nation once, but I'd say that it appears we were attacked by muslims because we are (in their opinion) a jewish nation. And in many ways, that is exactly what we are.

150 posted on 09/15/2001 12:30:14 PM PDT by DownWithGreenspan
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To: the808bass
Course, it doesn't hurt to have people who see things in terms of right and wrong running a country. Surely even you can agree with that.

Without God, what tells us what is right and what is wrong?

151 posted on 09/15/2001 12:30:53 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: In pursuit of truth
I watched the members of congress pray on the steps of the Capitol a couple of days ago on television. Is this a freedom that is only reserved for them? Are they the only Americans elevated enough to enjoy this freedom? By the way, I didn't see any government officials holding a gun to their head forcing them to do it. If the children at our public schools wish to enjoy the same freedom that the congress does and pray together, they should not be stopped.

Children praying in school are led by adults who happen to be agents of the state.

By setting aside a part of the school day to engage in organized prayer, the school (an agent of the state) is sponsoring a particular religion.

152 posted on 09/15/2001 12:33:12 PM PDT by jess35
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To: eddie willers
"I dare the Left to make "seperation of church and state" an issue now. If they don't I will!"

Show us ONE thing in the Constitution pertaining to "seperation of church and state". After looking for some time what you will find is a "one-way seperation" of the state from the church.....but NO seperation of the church from the state. In fact, it was intended that Jueo-Christian values would be(and are) the bases of our state and all forms of government!

156 posted on 09/15/2001 12:40:03 PM PDT by TRY ONE
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To: In pursuit of truth
free love = promiscuity...Get it?

Another way of saying this, is that ALL ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES. Everything, every action, has a price, including love and hate. Attempting to selectively redefine the logic that consequences follow actions, trying to imagine that we can sidestep the issue from some personally determined rational, is precisely what got us into this global political mess in the first place.

The carefully contructed, time tested value system of Western Culture, is fundamentally based on the notion, whether viewed as a mythically exagerated set of folk tales, or literally true, that actions have consequences. And in selectively avoiding those elements of the Culture that conflict with our basest carnal addicitons, those we're all subject to, we tend to abandon the entire set of those values in a vain effort to try escaping the consequences of our actions.

Now sadly, our ideological enemies have know this for a century, and have been busy encouraging us to abandon such. For they knew it would weaken not only our resolve, but the ability for the culture to sustain itself. And now it looks like we might have to do battle to retain those elements of our culture that we probably all agree we can't live without.

Accordingly, it's little wonder that people have humbly gravitated back toward the source of those values, some in the secular sense, some in the religious. What else are they really expected to do? Wait until the incredible expense of veneral diseases like AIDS, subsidized bastardy, and raw deception by those in the highest places, those we either have to at least pretend to trust or die, overwhelm our ability to fight as our fathers did in WWII? Let's get real.


157 posted on 09/15/2001 12:40:54 PM PDT by Coyote
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To: ServesURight
For everyone here who does not think this is a Christian Nation and that our God is the only hope we have, I'll pray for your soul.
158 posted on 09/15/2001 12:43:30 PM PDT by MusicDude_Rep
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To: jess35
Thank you for the link. I read nothing here that answers my question to you:

Would you show me where it dictates in the Constitution -- the Supreme Law of the Land -- that there be a separation of church and state? If you are finding a passage that I'm not, please cite it.

In fact the link to which you directed me, states, "...As the Church takes no note of men's political differences, so the State looks with equal eye on all the modes of religious faith..." This would be more consistent with my argument than with yours. Again, read the First Amendment, carefully.

159 posted on 09/15/2001 12:43:36 PM PDT by Paranoid-Pessimist
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To: ServesURight
The United States of America is a Christian nation again.

Let it be so....

160 posted on 09/15/2001 12:45:21 PM PDT by neutrino (neutrino)
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