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FFRF Opposes National Day Of Prayer [Have Barf Bags Wide Open and Handy]
Freedom From Religion Foundation ^ | 9/13/01 | Jerkweed

Posted on 09/14/2001 8:31:13 AM PDT by careyb


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Statement on September 11 Terrorism

Acts of Terrorism the Ultimate "Faith-Based Initiative"?

September 13, 2001

This statement was released by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Madison, Wis.-based national association of freethinkers (atheists and agnostics) working to protect the constitutional separation of church and state since 1978.

Representing our national membership of freethinkers, as well as the 18.5% of U.S. citizens who are not religious, we join in the national mourning over the events on September 11, a horrible and senseless human tragedy.

However, Bush's proclamation of Friday, September 14 as a "National Day of Prayer and Remembrance" shows the pitfalls of the "God is on our side" mentality, and the dangers of religious patriotism.

While it may be natural for religious persons to turn to religion or prayer for solace, it is not the role of the President of the United States, or his spokespersons, to urge citizens to pray, to go to church, to turn to faith, or to observe a National Day of Prayer with worship.

In fact, it appears that the terrorist disasters of September 11 may well have been the ultimate "faith-based initiative." These terrorists apparently expected to find a reward "in heaven" and were bent on starting a "holy war" with our nation.

Our country should not fall into the trap of religious terrorists: Holy wars don't have solutions, they just have body counts.

Religion is not the answer, it is probably the problem. As Pascal put it: "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."

Prayer had its chance on September 11, and it failed. Imagine the unanswered prayers of hundreds or thousands of the victims of these terrorists. Official prayer will not solve any problems.

We believe it is appropriate for President Bush to call for a Day of Remembrance, but leave prayer up to individuals. Civil War Col. Robert G. Ingersoll reminds us: "The hands that help are better far than lips that pray."

The nonreligious are among the victims and their families, and are represented in the ranks of the heroes, the firefighters and police officers risking or giving their lives to save others. It is offensive that the President of all Americans disregards the convictions, even the existence, of the more than 10% of the population that is not religious.

The "God is on our side" mentality was responsible for these tragic acts of terrorism. We must not compound the dangers by a "One Nation Under God" response. #

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To: Sally'sConcerns
You are not alone in your feelings. We all bear the burden of this tragedy together. The Lord will comfort you and providing we've still got the collective faith, he will comfort the entire nation.

FReegards <><
61 posted on 09/14/2001 2:14:21 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Texas_Jarhead
Thanks for your understanding and compassion.

May God hold us in his arms during these dark days!

62 posted on 09/14/2001 2:19:23 PM PDT by Sally'sConcerns
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To: careyb
it is not the role of the President of the United States, or his spokespersons, to urge citizens to pray, to go to church, to turn to faith, or to observe a National Day of Prayer with worship.

Do these idiots really believe the President is forcing people to pray?

It is offensive that the President of all Americans disregards the convictions, even the existence, of the more than 10% of the population that is not religious.

So, it's okay to offend 90% of the population? If he is a man of faith, why shouldn't a president LEAD the nation in the way in which the MAJORITY of the people receive COMFORT?

63 posted on 09/14/2001 2:22:23 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: fone
That law The Laws of Virginia (1610-1611) was in effect one year...

Sheesh.

64 posted on 09/14/2001 2:24:59 PM PDT by fone
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To: careyb
These people have wayyyyy to much time on their hands. At work, although we have rules against using company emails for political, religious, private purposes, during this week there has been an outpouring of emails throughout the company, even by our CEO and executive VPs. Today, someone sent one reminding people of the national day of prayer and encouraged them to do something about it. One employee replied to the entire company (1500 employees), "That's it. I've had it. Keep this religious babble out of my business e-mail!" Another employee responded with "Amen." And a third responded with, "Thank you. Seconded."

I sent each a private message telling them it was very easy to delete these emails. All they have to do is go to "File--delete" and they'd be gone. Then I told them I'd pray for them and their loved ones and asked God to bless them. One replied with a "Thank you." LOL.

My company decided to set up a site on our intranet to discuss the attacks and pass messages, links, and graphics.

65 posted on 09/14/2001 2:29:29 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: tider
But prayer doesn't exactly have a good track record.

How can you say that? How many millions of children AREN'T killed each day?

66 posted on 09/14/2001 2:30:54 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: OWK
#5: Thanks.
67 posted on 09/14/2001 2:31:16 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: dely2
That's odd - there's nothing in there that makes it unconstitutional for him to encourage us all to masturbate as we watch gay porn. Does that mean he should ask us to do this? Does that mean we would support him if he did suggest it?

How is it your mind is so warped that you could compare our President encouraging prayer, to masturbation or watching gay porn? If you can't get a proper perspective in your life, I would recommend self-commitment to your local insane asylum.

68 posted on 09/14/2001 2:38:23 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: dely2
"Bad men cannot make good citizens.</font color=black> It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains.</font color=black> A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience is incompatible with freedom.
No free government, or the blessings of liberty, can be preserved to any people but by a firm adherence to justice, moderation, temperance, frugality, and virtue; and by a frequent recurrence to fundamental principals." </font color=black> Patrick Henry

69 posted on 09/14/2001 2:38:51 PM PDT by fone
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To: glock rocks
My 5 year old just learned that this week. After the attack he came home placed his hand over his heart and said the pledge with a few errors. I helped him say it correctly.

I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America. And to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

I found out his class teacher taught the whole class after hearing about the attack on our country.

70 posted on 09/14/2001 2:42:45 PM PDT by a_federalist
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To: SUSSA
President Bush's request that people pray harms no one.

That may be right but those who originally had the intention to pray are doing so nonetheless and those who don't believe in prayer (or don't pray for other reasons) are not going to pray just because the president (or some other autority) says so.

71 posted on 09/14/2001 2:43:50 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: dely2 all
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports.

In vain would that man claim tribute to patriotism</font color=black> who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness." </font face=times new roman> George Washington

Re-reading the second half of that statement, you'd think George was speaking directly to the FFRF.
Truth has a way of doing that.

72 posted on 09/14/2001 2:44:36 PM PDT by fone
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To: dely2
I'm concerned that this message that "All true Americans should pray"

Who said this?

The government should govern. Leave all else to the people.

Our "Leaders" should lead. And that's what he's doing. Do you really think our country is better off today than it was 30 years ago when more people practiced their faith more than they do today?

73 posted on 09/14/2001 2:50:42 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: dely2
I'm concerned that this message that "All true Americans should pray"

Who said this?

The government should govern. Leave all else to the people.

Our "Leaders" should lead. And that's what he's doing. Do you really think our country is better off today than it was 30 years ago when more people practiced their faith more than they do today?

74 posted on 09/14/2001 2:51:34 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: dely2
But certainly Christianity was officially sponsored in the Colonies, and the Founding Fathers took a huge step away from that system.

Actually, you're wrong. They set up the Constitution to allow each state to make it's own decisions on such things as even religion. It was the intention of the founding fathers that if a state wanted a state religion, they could establish it. Only Congress could not hinder the expression of religion.

75 posted on 09/14/2001 2:55:35 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: BMCDA
There should be some authority to tell you to turn your tags off - but hey, you don't have to listen.
76 posted on 09/14/2001 2:57:16 PM PDT by fone
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To: DallasDeb
Total useless hacks. I wonder how quickly they would be typing these words had their entire family been wiped out?
77 posted on 09/14/2001 2:57:31 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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To: Texas_Jarhead
#43, right on, Tex.
78 posted on 09/14/2001 2:59:46 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: fone
dagnabit! I hate open tags.sue me.
79 posted on 09/14/2001 2:59:56 PM PDT by fone
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To: fone
die tags </marquee up></marquee up></marquee up></marquee up> die
80 posted on 09/14/2001 3:01:43 PM PDT by glock rocks
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