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In favor of ethnic/national profiling (Arab male non-citizens)
September 12, 2001 | Charlie Henrickson

Posted on 09/12/2001 10:08:46 AM PDT by Charles Henrickson

There is growing evidence that confirms what we already suspected: The hijackers were groups of Arab male non-citizens.

I am in favor of ethnic/national profiling at our airports. If the passenger is:

1) Arab
2) Male (esp. in the 20-50 age range)
3) Non-U.S. citizen (esp. from the Middle East)

Then:

1) Search the luggage.
2) Search the carry-ons.
3) Frisk the person.

If there are two or more Arab male non-citizens boarding the same plane, double or triple the scrutiny.

Also, do not let anyone fitting the above profile work in an airport.

This is war.


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To: Charles Henrickson
I agree! This is what we get for allowing loose emigration and sloppy vetting! Time for it to stop!
21 posted on 09/12/2001 10:02:21 PM PDT by brat
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To: libertarian_usa
Get lost, traitor.
22 posted on 09/13/2001 2:10:10 AM PDT by JudyB1938
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To: libertarian_usa
Did you miss the thread that said that Indonesia was celebrating in the streets of Jakarta?
23 posted on 09/13/2001 7:47:42 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: SLM
Lame and pointless exagerration.
24 posted on 09/13/2001 8:09:52 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Charles Henrickson
Add Non-U.S. Citzen Muslim to the list.
26 posted on 09/13/2001 10:01:26 AM PDT by JimRed
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To: JimRed
Preview, JimRed! Citzen=Citizen.
27 posted on 09/13/2001 10:02:59 AM PDT by JimRed
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To: Charles Henrickson
How do you suggest that those of Middle Eastern origin (not to mention look-alike Mexicans, Indians, South American Indios, etc) demonstrate that they are citizens?

I see your point, but how do we decide of whom we will demand proof of citizenship? Then, after requiring that citizens carry proof with them before boarding, won't terrorists find ways to counterfeit that documentation?

IMO, we need to look for other means, but the next attacks won't involve commercial airliners anyway because simple non-intrusive measures -- like skymarshals -- will prevent it.

Your proposal IMO is an example of "fighting the last war." Now we will need to increase our security procedures to defeat bombings and bio/chem assaults.

28 posted on 09/13/2001 10:04:55 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: Charles Henrickson
The Sun Online has a photo of one of the perps:


29 posted on 09/13/2001 10:07:21 AM PDT by Moderate_Man
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To: JudyB1938
This is not like you.

We are all experiencing anger, fear and hatred, but . . . . . . . . . . . .

30 posted on 09/13/2001 10:10:21 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: Charles Henrickson
How do you know a citizen from a non-citizen? Papers can be falsified.
31 posted on 09/13/2001 10:12:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy
How do you know a citizen from a non-citizen? Papers can be falsified.

You're right.
Let's not ever check anything or anyone.
Anything can be falsified.

Works for me. Makes total sense. Uh huh...

32 posted on 09/13/2001 10:15:15 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: JimRed
Add Non-U.S. Citzen Muslim to the list.

And don't forget all CIA operatives. After all, they're the ones that trained bin Laden in the first place, and who funded the Taliban with tax-payer resources.

33 posted on 09/13/2001 10:29:40 AM PDT by Frogurt
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To: LSJohn
How do you suggest that those of Middle Eastern origin (not to mention look-alike Mexicans, Indians, South American Indios, etc) demonstrate that they are citizens?

Read his posts. He said everyone would be required to carry a passport on all flights.

I see your point, but how do we decide of whom we will demand proof of citizenship? Then, after requiring that citizens carry proof with them before boarding, won't terrorists find ways to counterfeit that documentation?

Are you saying any plan that isn't absolutlely fool proof should be abandoned? Let's stop requiring ID to buy cigarrettes and alcohol, afterall the kids might use fake IDs. Bad logic.

IMO, we need to look for other means, but the next attacks won't involve commercial airliners anyway because simple non-intrusive measures -- like skymarshals -- will prevent it.

While you are looking for other means, a reasonable one has already been offered that will not inhibit innocent people, regardless of their national origin, from using transportation services

Your proposal IMO is an example of "fighting the last war." Now we will need to increase our security procedures to defeat bombings and bio/chem assaults.

And how do you propose we do that without "offending" someone, or being "intrusive"?

34 posted on 09/13/2001 10:48:37 AM PDT by shadez
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To: SLM
If you boarded a plane and noticed several single Arab males, you would wonder. So would everyone else on the plane. Some people might decide to not get on that plane. But those who can check them out are suppose to not use the common sense you and everyone else displayed?
35 posted on 09/13/2001 10:56:09 AM PDT by LarryLied
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To: Publius6961
Try the opposite. I don't care if you are a citizen or not. If you need to be stopped, you need to be stopped. Period. Screw this Libertarian fell-good garbage.
36 posted on 09/13/2001 11:04:31 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Charles Henrickson
Why even let them in the country? If they need to do business, tell them to do e-commerce or tell them "tough". And anyone who is here, is not a citizen, is not related to a citizen, or at the very least does not have permanent residency, should be shown the door out of this country--IMMEDIATELY.
37 posted on 09/13/2001 11:06:58 AM PDT by DallasDeb
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To: shadez
Are you saying any plan that isn't absolutlely fool proof should be abandoned? Let's stop requiring ID to buy cigarrettes and alcohol, afterall the kids might use fake IDs. Bad logic.

Proof of adulthood is entirely different than proof of citizenship. You are now ready to require internal passports? No thanks.

"Your proposal IMO is an example of "fighting the last war." Now we will need to increase our security procedures to defeat bombings and bio/chem assaults."

And how do you propose we do that without "offending" someone, or being "intrusive"?

The first step is to focus on the real problem, rather than on superficial, intrusive, unnecessary steps to solve the problem of "the last war" which can be solved much more simply by non-intrusive means.

Authoritarians love events which stampede people into giving away more freedom in return for a little more perceived security. The measures necessary to make terrorist acts impossible -- or nearly impossible -- would turn this into a country unrecognizable to our founders and not worth living in.

We should be particularly cautious at this time that we don't allow our anger, fear and hatred to lead us into supporting additional and marginally effective surrenders of individual freedom.

38 posted on 09/13/2001 11:13:36 AM PDT by LSJohn
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To: DallasDeb
I was listening to "Loveline" a radio call-in show where they took a break from the usual format and talked about the bombing. The hosts of the show, who until now seemed ultraliberal were advocating a lot of these ideas, especially complaining about "people coming over here to the greatest country in the world and then trying to make it be like their old country." It's sad that this is what it took, but it seems like a lot of people in this country are waking up regarding immigration.

As far as the original post, I've always thought racial "profiling" was just good police work in most cases, so I don't see anything wrong with applying the same principles in airport security.

39 posted on 09/13/2001 11:18:53 AM PDT by joelmc
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To: joelmc
As far as the original post, I've always thought racial "profiling" was just good police work in most cases, so I don't see anything wrong with applying the same principles in airport security.

Me, too. However, I don't consider stopping a group of minorities on the road just because they are minorities and without cause, to be good police work. That is unacceptable "racial profiling."

40 posted on 09/13/2001 12:01:06 PM PDT by DallasDeb
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