Believed to Be Safe, the Towers Proved Vulnerable to the Intense Heat of a Jet Fuel Fire [NYT]

The NY Times | 9/12/01 | James Glanz

[_Jim]

Why hasn't anyone said WEIGHT.

It *DID*, after all, take 55 minutes for the south tower to collapse - the fire first had to take it's toll/do it's damage before the eventual collapse ...

What kind of property/strength changes does steel go through in the temp range of between 1000 and 2000 degrees?

Or - why not 'weight in motion' (impact force/inertia) as the first fire-weakened middle floors collpased - followed by the MONSTEROUS weight of the remaining floors as they come down and gained speed ...

[HalfIrish]

Professor Boyd, I look forward to reading your post tearing apart _Jim's "scientific" explanation that he believes "proves" you wrong about the Murrah building explosion(s).

_Jim, I gotta hand it to you. Getting beaten time and time again just makes you come back harder. You're very tenacious. Good luck in matching wits with the good professor!

[summer]

AfterI suffered repeated abuse and insults on another thread by a poster named HalfIrish -- insults, BTW, for which Hugh Akston kindly unsuccessfully attempted to intervene and obtain an apology for me from HalfIrish -- I have repeatedly -- REPEATEDLY -- and nicely, asked HalfIrish NOT to write to me; TO LEAVE ME ALONE.

I don't mind that he writes to other people. Nor do I care if he post on threads I start, so long as he addresses his posts to someone ELSE or to all.

But, despite my REPEATED requests and THE INTERVENING OF THIS MATTER BY ANOTHER, here is HalfIrish, posting FOUR TIMES to me on this thread.

Consequently, please ban HIM for AT LEAST A YEAR, and DELETE his posts to me here, numbers 35, 36, 38, and 39.

I do not know why SOME people do NOT respect my POLITE REQUEST TO: Please not write to me anymore.

Had he respected that, I would not NOW have to RESORT to asking you to BAN him for AT LEAST A YEAR until DEC 2002.

Thank you!

[dirtboy]

HalfIrish has the right to respond to anyone, anywhere on this forum as long as he is not profane or makes personal attacks. You have no perogative to demand that he not respond to you. If you post here, you are fair game for criticism, and it is NOT YOUR CALL to decide whether he should be banned, let alone how long he should be banned for.

However, halfirish, don't drag conflicts around the forum when avoidable.

[Jean S]

You've requested that I be banned. You also asked that big ern be banned. Now HalfIrish has to go.

Is there anyone else you would like removed from Free Republic?

[HalfIrish]

Good day, ma'am. Please do not make an issue of this anymore.. you'll be doing it for yourself, not for me. You can be level-headed and adult, right?

You cannot tell anyone not to post on a thread, you dig?

Please just let it lie before you upset yourself too much. If I toss abuse your way, by all means report it. It's not hapening yet, so just let it go for goodness sake. You offered your share of abuse on the thread you referenced, and I didn't hit any button. Nor will I if you go to abuse mode now. I just wish you'd learn how FR operates.

[PhiKapMom]

Thanks for posting this article! Sure makes a lot of sense!

[Jean S]

I am making a sincere and serious effort to have you banned from this forum for at least a year. Here is why, and I am publicly stating my reasons in an effort to disuade your other poster friends from agreeing to harass me pursuant to your obvious requests to them.

Your paranoia astounds me.

[BunnySlippers]

Bookmark.

[Slewfoot]

While most of what is said in this post is correct, it and practically everyone else calls this a jet fuel fire. It was not. Sure the jet fuel really helped start the fire, but it was gone in the first couple of minutes. The fuel tanks were shredded on impact and the liquid fuel dispersed.

When you see the tapes of the crash note the huge red flames that was the jet fuel, a couple of minutes and they are gone with the fuel. Then you see thick black smoke. This was furniture, carpet, files full of paper, but mostly the remains of an airliner. Airliners burn very well even without jet fuel. They burn very hot too. Hot enough to melt the steel in the WTC.

[poet]

Sorry, I meant to say Best Regaards

[Howlin]

You need to take your personal problems to a PRIVATE email. This is the second thread I have seen you make personal remarks on about other posters.

[Howlin]

AfterI suffered repeated abuse and insults on another thread by a poster named HalfIrish -- insults, BTW, for which Hugh Akston kindly unsuccessfully attempted to intervene and obtain an apology for me from HalfIrish -- I have repeatedly -- REPEATEDLY -- and nicely, asked HalfIrish NOT to write to me; TO LEAVE ME ALONE.

Dear, take a look at #30. YOU FLAGGED HIM TO THIS THREAD and now you're complaining that he WRITES TO YOU, which he did not.

You have deep seated problems.

[summer]

Howlin,

In all honesty. I have tried. And tried. But, I get nowhere with these posters. And, PhiKapMom has tried and she will confirm that I am telling you the truth.

If YOU would like to go to private email and try to convince these posters to stop harassing me, you are MORE than welcome to try. I would of course appreciate your help.

I just received an email that HalfIrish has been suspended for awhile.

Best of luck to you with them. And, thank you for any help you can give me.

Sincerely,
summer

[Howlin]

I'm not here to help anybody. I'm saying the remarks you are posting are entirely TOO PERSONAL. Stop flagging people to your posts if you don't want them to come on your threads.

[summer]

Thank you for your post # 50 . Very interesting point you make about the fire.

[Jean S]

Congratulations. You had HalfIrish banned. I cannot believe this.

[summer]

I just wish you'd learn how FR operates.

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HalfIrish, I sincerely wish YOU'd learn how FR operates. I just received an email from the Admin Moderator saying you have been suspended for awhile.

I hope and pray this suspension by FR of YOU sends a clearer message to YOU than I was able to send to YOU.

When you return to FR, just DON'T WRITE TO ME. PERIOD.

Instead of harassing ME, do this:

Write to OTHER people.

Address your posts on any threads I start, to: OTHER people.

THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.

[rockfish59]

hate to jump into this snake pit but next time you go by a construction sight, look at the material they spray on the steel. it's called 'monocoat'. it's a fire retardant. it protects the steel from fire. knock it away and add tremendous heat and you have structural failure. steel is very malleable when hot. it draws and holds heat for a long time. put a blow torch to an i beam for 10 seconds and then try to touch it. run a welding rod for 10 seconds and see how hot it gets. i used to wreck buildings, so i know a few things about it.

ever hear of the 'abuse' button?