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To: BenR2
Franklin's aphorism is as good today as it was when first written, and I paraphrase, "Those who are willing to sacrifice a bit of liberty for a bit of security -- are worthy of neither."

Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security.

22 posted on 09/11/2001 12:34:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
We DO give up some freedoms for security.

Hasn't done much good, as demonstrated today.

31 posted on 09/11/2001 12:43:18 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security.
No, we give up some freedoms for the empty promise of security. If there were true security for what we've given up, that security would have prevented this.

The fact that this happened is proof that we've given up some freedom for absolutely nothing.

56 posted on 09/11/2001 1:11:35 PM PDT by cc2k
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To: BunnySlippers
But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security. After today, you think you have security?

No, Bunny, you've just given up your freedoms and have not one iota more of meaningful security. You've traded liberty for the illusion of security.
62 posted on 09/11/2001 1:22:12 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check?

Absolutely I would, and with more assurance of safety than I would compared to boarding a jet after going through a metal detector.

Why? Because I'd be armed when I flew if there were no "security" checks, and most likely so would several other honest citizens on the same plane. And anyone who tried to hijack the plane would find their heads blown off the moment their attention wandered far enough for me to get the element of surprise.

Currently, however, I'm unarmed when I fly and I'd be helpless, at the "mercy" of my captors, if the plane were hijacked.

Getting a clue yet? Nah, I doubt it...

We DO give up some freedoms for security.

No we don't. We give up freedoms for the promise of a security that doesn't exist.

87 posted on 09/11/2001 1:58:15 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check?

Absolutely I would, and with more assurance of safety than I would compared to boarding a jet after going through a metal detector.

Why? Because I'd be armed when I flew if there were no "security" checks, and most likely so would several other honest citizens on the same plane. And anyone who tried to hijack the plane would find their heads blown off the moment their attention wandered far enough for me to get the element of surprise.

Currently, however, I'm unarmed when I fly and I'd be helpless, at the "mercy" of my captors, if the plane were hijacked.

Getting a clue yet? Nah, I doubt it...

We DO give up some freedoms for security.

No we don't. We give up freedoms for the promise of a security that doesn't exist.

88 posted on 09/11/2001 1:58:31 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security.

You don't have to fly. You know they don't check 'checked' luggage - except on some international flights. Anyone who wanted to put a bomb on a domestic flight could do it easily with nearly no risk of detection.

-bc

97 posted on 09/11/2001 2:12:13 PM PDT by BearCub
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To: BunnySlippers
When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check?

Of course I would, because I would be, as I was back then, armed and competent in use.

How many thousands would be alive now had there been anyone on any of those three airplanes capable of offering a competent resistance?

123 posted on 09/11/2001 4:02:39 PM PDT by DuncanWaring
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To: BunnySlippers
Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security.

When you buy an airline ticket, you enter into a contract with the airline. You voluntarily consent to a search because it protects your security and the security of the other passengers. No rights are being taken from you.

128 posted on 09/11/2001 4:14:16 PM PDT by jess35
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To: BunnySlippers
>>Well, consider this: When I was growning up, you could get on a plane as a passenger without having luggage or your personal things checked ... But today, would you even get on a plane that did not check? We DO give up some freedoms for security.<<

I remember flying from Okinawa to San Francisco in 1967 aboard a civilian airliner with a loaded German Luger,and "Yes,I declared it for customs".

173 posted on 09/11/2001 7:50:52 PM PDT by sneakypete
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