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America's police state is run like Arafat's Force 17.  Does anyone want to know why they should care for Israel?  Start with unity of purpose: hang together, or hang separately.

John Ashcroft may not be muslim, but he exhibits the symptoms of apostates; the inability to justify not using state power to do good, if it is in their power to do it.  A natural consequence of abandonment of the law of God-- a limited covenant law.  But then, he is "free from the tyranny of the law", isn't he?

Cops First, American Freedom Second

I told these gentlemen some time back that we should iron out our differences in private -- as honorable men. Some time back, we had another heated skirmish over this same fundamental issue, and it escalated way too far, on both sides. What started as sincere attempts at discussing the issue of enforcing unconstitutional gun laws later deteriorated into profound contrast in our fundamental priorities. Over this period of differences of opinion, we have seen some of the heartiest statements I've seen to date -- from the gun rights community -- in defense of the Police State Mentality. Here is one of many:

"To anyone out there who says I or ANY other cop should abandon our primary responsibility to their family and walk away for people who don't support what we do ANYWAY, I say ... F*** Y** - get over it. That's right, my primary responsibility is NOT to you, it's to my family..." (November 24, 2000) Bruce Emmott, former NYPD
OBLIGATED TO ENFORCE:

"lucian" lucian@e... wrote:

"Lets recall some testimony from our trials of German war criminals-something about lawful orders. Surely the directors of death camps had warrants."
Mr. Emmott responded:
"I'm getting REAL TIRED of s*** like this.[...]Police officers are bound by statute to enforce laws on the books of their jurisdictions - not the federal Constitution. If there is a local law concerning firearms ownership that requires the arrest of a civilian - the officer has no choice but to enforce that law."
Leroy Pyle has also placed the blame for police abuses on gun owners:
"I am more aware of the "us vs. them" attitude, Chris, but it doesn't seem to be coming from the cops!" Nov 20, 2000
Then there is the blind faith some cops exhibit in any law enforcement agency, as exampled by the following quote from Mr. Emmott when I attempted some reasoning with him:
"So the ATF fabricated the entire document, committed numerous counts of perjury, all to persecute this poor guy - is that what you're saying slick?"
Well, why not? They've done it before. Not only that, there is at least one major false statement on the affidavit that we know of, so why not more? And why is the ATF even there? Who gave them authority? And is that authority legitimate? (NO.)

Though dozens of great quotes from various founding fathers would have served to drive home many of my points in this lengthy message, I'd planned on refraining from The Quote Technique in lieu of letting my words stand on their own -- but I can't resist just this one:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen." ~~ Samuel Adams
Then there are the more subtle justifications for disarming people whose sole "crime" is possession of a gun the State Worshippers continue to ban. In his controversial article Just Following Orders, Leroy Pyle said,
"I am concerned that it has become a catch-phrase among firearms activists to criticize law officers for enforcing current laws...I wonder at the wisdom of such rhetoric." Leroy Pyle, 2ampd Co-founder
Criticizing cops for violating our rights is, to Mr. Pyle, "rhetoric." In placing responsibility on whose "fault" it is that police follow orders that include gross violations of civil rights, Mr. Pyle goes on in his article to list a host of the people and groups he says are truly to blame, and says, "They give the orders that your police are obligated to follow." [emphasis mine] "Obligated." If a police officer is told to go do X, according to Mr. Pyle and some of his key, threat-making associates, the police must do it. Strapping an able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45 with a felony for possessing a militia rifle is "an obligation." We must keep that in mind in California as Mr. Pyle's "obligated" peers set about enforcing the "assault weapons" bans.

But aren't peoples' lives and liberties also obligations? And isn't it an obligation we owe this and future generations to keep our nation free -- and make it freer? And when the obligation to remain alive and free meets the "obligation" to infringe on rights to make a paycheck for a family, which obligation is more important? Which is right? There is a Superior principle here. Why it isn't emanating from 2ampd, I do not know. Perhaps they will write a lucid article that can make sense to gun owners whose lives, fortunes, families, liberties and sacred honor are regarded as less important than cops' paychecks. Submit it here: http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNPAdd.asp.

Traitors, Tradition and Treason

Traitor n. (Dictionary.com) One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

Traitor \Trai"tor\, n. [OE. traitour, OF. tra["i]tor, tra["i]teur, F. tre[^i]tre, L. traditor, fr. tradere, traditum, to deliver, to give up or surrender treacherously, to betray; trans across, over + dare to give. See Date time, and cf. Betray, Tradition, Traditor, Treason.] 1. One who violates his allegiance and betrays his country; one guilty of treason; one who, in breach of trust, delivers his country to an enemy, or yields up any fort or place intrusted to his defense, or surrenders an army or body of troops to the enemy, unless when vanquished; also, one who takes arms and levies war against his country; or one who aids an enemy in conquering his country. See Treason.

Tradition (Dictionary.com) 1. The act of delivering into the hands of another; delivery.

Treason n. (Dictionary.com)

    1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
The roots of words hold great power and rich meaning, and the interconnectedness of words is a most fascinating subject, indeed. When you look up the word "traitor," you are referred to the words "tradition" and "treason."

As pertains to the infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, Traitors do all of the following:

  1. defile the tradition of arms, keeping arms, bearing arms, enjoying arms, learning arms, and passing on all of the above to future generations
  2. defile their own country and are usually too ignorant to know it
  3. defile the future society in which their own offspring must live
  4. defile their own honor
  5. and find transparent ways to say all of the above is not true.
And there is no such thing as a "sometimes traitor." If you're a great guy 95% of the time but the other 5% of the time you are infringing on the right of the people to keep and bear arms, sweet talk yourself all you want to; you're still a traitor. There is one Second Amendment; either you support it, or you don't.
1 posted on 09/10/2001 5:43:42 AM PDT by Israel
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To: Israel
U.S. Department of Labor
Occupational Fatalities per 100,000
Year 1999
Commercial Fishermen 162
Timber Cutters 154
Air Pilots 65
Construction Laborers 37
Garbage Collectors 34
Truck Drivers 28
Electricians 12
Gardeners (non farm) 11
Police 11
Carpenters 7
"By cultivating a hyper-inflated myth of heroes sacrificing their lives for you, police have created a shield of public veneration to defend against criticism of any misdeed. Who then can blame police for building arsenals against the citizens, for firing at first blink, for mafia-like codes of silence? Who then can refuse police funding requests for ever more militarized arms?"
  • Maria De Santis, Women's Justice Center, "Police Deaths, Planting Petunias, and Procreation."

2 posted on 09/10/2001 5:48:31 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Israel
Does anyone else think it's odd that garbage collectors are three times more likely than cops to "not come home to their families," yet we don't equip garbage collectors with incendiary tear gas and M60 machine guns?
3 posted on 09/10/2001 5:50:23 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: Israel
You anarchists are having a bad day. Must be baggage from your childhood.
4 posted on 09/10/2001 5:54:20 AM PDT by verity
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To: Israel, bang_list
BUMP
6 posted on 09/10/2001 6:01:03 AM PDT by Hail Caesar
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To: Israel
"We knew there was activity here," Wofford said.

Damn.... there's activity in my house, too!

10 posted on 09/10/2001 6:24:07 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks
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To: Israel
German soldiers in WWII knew these types as kettenhunde.
12 posted on 09/10/2001 6:25:40 AM PDT by an amused spectator
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To: Israel
Great piece by Hunter S. Thompson.... read and enjoy.

He Who Goes To Law Takes A Wolf By The Ears

by Hunter S. Thompson

Special to lexisONEsm

I am not a criminal defense lawyer, but I have what they call "a very strong background" in the criminal justice system, and much of that background is based on extremely personal experience. I have taken that wolf by the ears many times, and I have learned many powerful lessons along the way. It is not the most desirable and certainly not the most efficient means of gaining an education in law. I would not recommend it for my son, for instance, or for anyone else's children. There is no prestige in it, and sure as hell no money. It is like getting an education in electricity by wandering around in a lightning storm with a long steel rod in your hands.

I have known a few jails in my time, and I have been in many courtrooms for many deeply disturbing reasons. My parents were decent people and I was raised, like my friends, to believe that the police were our friends and protectors — the badge was a symbol of extremely high authority, perhaps the highest of all. Nobody ever asked "Why?" It was one of those unnatural questions that are better left alone. If you had to ask that, you were sure as hell guilty of something, and probably should have been put behind bars a long time ago. It was a no-win situation.

My first face-to-face confrontation with the FBI occurred when I was nine 9 years old. Two grim-looking agents came to our house and terrified my parents by saying that I was "a prime suspect" in the case of a federal mailbox being turned over in the path of a speeding bus. It was a federal offense, they said, and probably carried a jail sentence.

Mailboxes were huge back then. They were heavy green vaults that stood like Roman mile markers at corners on the neighborhood bus routes and were rarely, if ever, moved. I was barely tall enough to reach the mail-drop slot, much less big enough to turn the bastard over and into the path of a bus. It was clearly impossible that I could have committed this crime without help, and that was what they wanted: names and addresses, along with a total confession. They already knew I was guilty, they said, because other culprits had squealed on me. My parents hung their heads and I saw my mother weeping. I had done it, of course, and I had done it with plenty of help. It was carefully plotted and planned, a deliberate ambush that we set up and executed with the fiendish skill that smart 9-year-old boys are capable of when they have time on their hands and a lust for revenge on a rude and stupid bus driver who got a kick out of closing his doors and pulling away just as we staggered to the top of the hill and begged him to let us climb on.... He was new on the job, probably a brain-damaged substitute, filling in for our regular driver, who was friendly and kind and always willing to wait a few seconds for children rushing to school. Every kid in the neighborhood agreed that this new swine of a driver was a sadist who deserved to be punished, and the Hawks A.C. were the ones to do it. We saw it more as a duty than a prank. It was a brazen insult to the honor of the whole neighborhood.

We would need ropes and pulleys and certainly no witnesses to do the job properly. We had to tilt the iron monster so far over that it was perfectly balanced to fall instantly, just as the fool zoomed into the bus stop at his usual arrogant speed. All that kept the box more or less upright was my grip on a long, "invisible" string that we had carefully stretched all the way from the corner and across about 50 feet of grass lawn to where we were crouched out of sight in some bushes.

The rig worked perfectly. The bastard was right on schedule and going too fast to stop when he saw the thing falling in front of him. The collision made a horrible noise, like a bomb going off or a freight train exploding in Germany. That is how I remember it, at least. It was the worst noise I'd ever heard. People ran screaming out their houses like chickens gone crazy with fear. They howled at each other as the driver stumbled out of his bus and collapsed in a heap on the grass. The bus was empty of passengers, as usual at the far end of the line. The man was not injured, but he went into a foaming rage when he spotted us fleeing down the hill and into a nearby alley. He knew in a flash who had done it, and so did most of the neighbors.

Never believe the first thing an FBI agent tells you about anything — especially not if he seems to believe you are guilty of a crime. Maybe he has no evidence. Maybe he's bluffing. Maybe you are innocent.

Maybe.

"Why deny it, Hunter?" said one of the FBI agents. "We know exactly what happened up there on that corner, on Saturday. Your buddies already confessed, son. They squealed on you. We know you did it, so don't lie to us now and make things worse for yourself. A nice kid like you shouldn't have to go to federal prison." He smiled again and winked at my father, who responded with a snarl: "Tell the Truth, damn it! Don't lie to these men. They have witnesses!" The FBI agents nodded grimly at each other and moved as if to take me into custody.

WHACK! Like a flash of nearby lightning that lights up the sky for three or four terrifying split seconds before you hear the thunder — a matter of Zepto-seconds in real time — but when you are a 9-year-old boy with 2 full-grown FBI agents about to seize you and clap you in federal prison, a few quiet Zepto-seconds can seem like the rest of your life. And that's how it felt to me, that day, and in grim retrospect I was right. They had me, dead to rights. I was guilty. Why deny it? Confess now, and throw myself on their mercy, or what? What if I didn't confess? That was the question. And I was a curious boy, so I decided, as it were, to roll the dice and ask them a question.

"Who?" I said. "What witnesses?"

It was not a hell of a lot to ask, under those circumstances — and I really did want to know exactly WHO, among my best friends and blood-brothers in the dreaded Hawks A.C. had cracked under pressure and betrayed me to these thugs, these pompous brutes and toadies with badges and plastic cards in their wallets that said they worked for J. Edgar Hoover and they had the right, and even the duty, to put me in jail, because they'd heard a "rumor in the neighborhood" that some of my boys had gone belly up and rolled on me? What? No. Impossible. Or not likely, anyway. Hell, nobody squealed on the Hawks, or not on the President, anyway. Not on me. So I asked again: "Witnesses? What witnesses?"

And that's when I first grabbed that wolf, folks. I had no choice. It was self-defense. I didn't want to do it, and I sure as hell didn't plan to, but he got too close to me and he smelled like death, so I seized him — and everything since then has been like a chain-reaction, a series of finely connected explosions.

We never saw those FBI agents again. Never. And I learned a powerful lesson: Never believe the first thing an FBI agent tells you about anything — especially not if he seems to believe you are guilty of a crime. Maybe he has no evidence. Maybe he's bluffing. Maybe you are innocent. Maybe. The law can be hazy on these things. But it is definitely worth a roll.

"Were it made a question, whether no law, as among the savage Americans, or too much law, as among the civilized Europeans, submits man to the greatest evil, one who has seen both conditions of existence would pronounce it to be the last; and that the sheep are happier of themselves, than under the care of wolves." - THOMAS JEFFERSON, "Notes on the State of Virginia," 1784

Dr. Hunter S. Thompson's books include "Hell's Angels," "'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72," "The Proud Highway," "Better Than Sex" and "The Rum Diary." His new book, "Fear and Loathing in America," has just been released. A regular contributor to various national and international publications, Thompson now lives in a fortified compound near Aspen, Colo.

34 posted on 09/10/2001 7:58:50 AM PDT by Basil314
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To: Israel
It would seem that private citizens use firearms as much as any cop in felony situations. From the FBI stats...
Table 2.17            
Justifiable Homicide    
by Weapon, Private Citizen1, 1995-1999    
  Year    Total Total fire- arms Hand- guns Rifles Shot- guns Fire- arms, type not stated Knives or cutting instru- ments Other danger- ous    weapons Personal weapons
1995 268        230        179          18          25 8 24 10 4
1996 261        222        184          12  18 8 28 7 4
1997 280        238        197          16  14 11 28 6 8
1998 196        170        150            6          14 - 17 5 4
1999 188        154        134            5            9 6 18 9 7
                   
1 The killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen.

 

Table 2.16            
Justifiable Homicide    
by Weapon, Law Enforcement1, 1995-1999    
  Year Total Total fire- arms Hand- guns Rifles Shot- guns Fire- arms, type not stated Knives or cutting instru- ments Other danger- ous    weapons Personal weapons
1995        389        386        351          12          19            4  -              3  -
1996        357        354        326          10  10            8  -              1                2
1997        366        363        315          14  20          14  -              1                2
1998        369        367        322          15          18          12  -  -                2
1999        294        291        261          11          14            5  -              1                2
                   
1 The killing of a felon by a law enforcement officer in the line of duty.

 

 

56 posted on 09/10/2001 9:29:10 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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