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California Considers Granting Illegal Immigrants In-State Tuition Rates
CNS News ^ | September 4, 2001 | John Rossomando

Posted on 09/05/2001 2:50:41 PM PDT by Mercuria

The California Assembly is considering legislation that would extend in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants who have graduated from California high schools.

Assemblymen Marco Firebaugh (D-Los Angeles) and Abel Maldonado (R-Santa Maria) said their legislation would create a level playing field for all high school graduates in the state, regardless of their immigration status.

The California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR), however, insists billions of dollars are already spent to educate illegal immigrants and that the Firebaugh-Maldonado bill would reward lawbreakers.

"There [are] a great number of students in California that have worked hard academically and have been able to achieve," said Firebaugh's Press Secretary Ricardo Lara. "What we're seeing and hearing is that when the kids graduate from high school, and get accepted to various public colleges and universities throughout the state, [they] are forced to pay three times the tuition rate [compared with in-state students]."

Lara claims that many of the students being granted in-state tuition have come into the country illegally because of their parents rather than their own individual actions.

"The stories that we have been hearing are that a lot of these kids have been here since they were the age of one. Obviously the parents brought them over, so they had no idea that they were undocumented and they had no idea that they were 'illegal'," he said. "We can't blame the kids for what their parents did.

"Since the high schoolers cannot initiate the process of legalization themselves, unless obviously they are over the age of 18," Lara said. "What our thinking is, is that these kids are here for most of their lives, they are not going to go anywhere, so the best we can do is to at least help them get an education."

Lara argues that illegal immigrant students are a lost resource, who would be much better used than high tech workers who are imported from abroad.

"They are not getting any benefits, [and] they still are going to have to pay tuition," he said. "We're putting these students at a higher standard," because these students have to have lived in California for three years and graduated from a California high school, compared to the one-year requirement for out of state residents who move to California.

Mexican-American advocates are pleased with the Firebaugh-Maldonado bill that currently sits in the Appropriations Committee of the California Senate.

"We think it is a good thing that the state is not dealing with immigration law, but dealing with education policy for its state and its students," said Liz Guillen, legislative counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund (MALDEF). "They (illegal immigrants) have been in this state for years.

"The way the bill is written, out-of-state students can get this if they cross the border and attend high school here, so this doesn't [bill] distinguish on the basis of immigration status," she said.

Guillen is confident of the bill's passage because its sponsors have been working with Democratic Gov. Gray Davis's office to craft a bill to the governor's liking.

Guillen shares Lara's belief that granting in-state tuition to illegal immigrants will help make them productive members of society, and limit their need for state social services such as welfare.

"We think that the benefits that the state will enjoy as a result of these students [receiving an] education will be beyond what people are concerned about at the moment," Guillen said.

Davis is waiting to see the final form of the bill before deciding whether to support it, according to his spokesman, Roger Salazar.

However, the bill has stiff opposition from the California Coalition for Immigration Reform (CCIR), which complains that California residents are already required to pay billions of dollars to pay for the education of illegal immigrants.

"The money that we already pay to educate them from K-12 is already in the multi-billions," said CCIR Chairwoman Barbara Coe. "Now we are supposed to stand quietly by and then double or triple it to put them through college. I don't think so.

"You have students from other states who are forced to pay out-of-state tuition while you lawbreakers are given carte blanche, so we oppose it very, very strongly, and we're fighting it as best as we can," she said.

Coe indicates that CCIR would like to legally challenge the bill if Davis signs it into law, but adds that the group does not have enough money to pursue such a lawsuit.


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To: Mercuria
I would hope the other 49 states citizens get that rate before guests or illegals. This is wrong.
41 posted on 09/05/2001 7:00:45 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: All..
Well...I just heard Dick Morris call V. Fox a "saint" on Hannity and Colmes. And Hannity is singing the praises of Bush on this thing too. There goes any respect I had for Hannity. He is a Bush yesman.
42 posted on 09/05/2001 7:15:54 PM PDT by Aerial
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To: MissAmericanPie
I read a thread last night that said by 2004 whites would be the minority in Texas given all the immigrants total.

Yeah...that's the idea. Dilute, dilute, dilute....and once any strong base is diluted enough it is so much easier to take over and control the masses.

43 posted on 09/05/2001 7:18:32 PM PDT by Aerial
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Amherst, Massachusetts, Joe!

Amherst, Mass., Tries to Allow Its Aliens to Vote

Amherst, Mass., Tries to Allow Its Aliens to Vote

44 posted on 09/05/2001 7:18:32 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: thesharkboy
How absurd. The same can be said of out-of-state students. They didn't make the choice to grow up in another state!

Shhh...shhhh...shhhhhhhhhhh....

45 posted on 09/05/2001 7:19:46 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: goldstategop
MEChA is probably close to a sexual "crisis" over all this...
46 posted on 09/05/2001 7:21:17 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: TrueBeliever9
What about out-of-state Americans? Can they get the ILLEGAL-IMMIGRANTS In-State Tuition rate also?

Why don't you call a Cal State University and find out?

**sour smile**

47 posted on 09/05/2001 7:23:25 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: aught-6
Doesn't surprise me. Illegal aliens are a large (and illegal) Democrat voting block.

And you'd think that Fox, with all HE is demanding, would take that and his buddy Dubya's position into consideration.

Some pal, eh?

49 posted on 09/05/2001 7:25:23 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Alas
And this is exactly what is being debated most hotly...by conservatives on this very board.

Check it out.

50 posted on 09/05/2001 7:27:30 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Aerial, StoneColdGOP
Yeah, what Stone said!

Trapped in a decaying paradise...

51 posted on 09/05/2001 7:29:56 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Mercuria
If the California taxpayers don't care if illegals are paying the same tuition as their own kids then I guess it doesn't matter......but I've read the illegals are already demanding equal access to scholarship money too.
52 posted on 09/05/2001 7:30:51 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: MissAmericanPie
It doesn't matter to me which race is the majority. It would be nice however if the majority was not so because of people here illegally.
53 posted on 09/05/2001 7:31:38 PM PDT by breakem
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To: Rowdee
We were having problems back then....but nothing of this magnitude....when's the rest of Mexico moving in?

Many of those who are proposing such idiocy as treating lawbreakers as SUPERIOR to legal citizens aren't of the mindset of "moving in"...but "taking over".

Have you seen Bonds of Our Union? American Patrol is coming out with a THIRD video (I saw a preview of it on Saturday), and I'm telling you...the influx of illegals into California and the southwest from Mexico is viewed as a POLITICAL statement and reconquista by a lot of the power-players from south of the border who are currently making demands of our President...and by radicals in our government and our schools who are determined to establish Aztlan as their destiny and their right.

If they can't even manage to respect the Treaty of Hidalgo and our very REASONABLE laws of immigration...what makes anyone think that these power players will be satisfied with anything less than reconquista?

Remember what Marxist stooge Castaneda said..."The whole enchilada."

54 posted on 09/05/2001 7:45:06 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: MissAmericanPie
Whites are already the minority in California in 2001.

Of course, for the Diversity Fascists, this is hardly enough of a victory.

Drive the white devils out of Aztlan!

55 posted on 09/05/2001 7:47:01 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Ohioan
If Assemblymen Firebaugh and Maldonado feel a need to help finance the educations of illegal immigrants, let them do so by private charity.

BRAVO!

Check this out...

"Only in America could a man and a woman, poor peasants, come to this country to work hard, to save, to plan their success so that one day they may see the fruits of their ambition made realities: this son of theirs, a son proud of being an American."

That was a charming speech Maldonado made at the Republican Convention, wasn't it?

So please tell me how Mr. Maldonado is showing his respect for the hard work ethic of his parents by presenting the notion that illegal aliens are ENTITLED to be treated better than citizens simply because they're from Mexico?

(And let not my detractors start whaling away at me with statements like "well, they're not ALL from Mexico". I know that. But I also don't think Mr. Maldonado would be making all these noises if the MAJORITY of illegal aliens in California were from, say, Canada or Asia...how 'bout you?)

56 posted on 09/05/2001 8:00:29 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: Brownie74
Makes me wonder some times who exactly IS president here...
57 posted on 09/05/2001 8:01:36 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: HalfIrish
"The wheels have TURNED...and it's time for us to MOVE ON!!!!"
58 posted on 09/05/2001 8:04:58 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: B4Ranch
The good peoples, American citizens and illegal aliens have voted in the present government and you do not count anymore.

You've been hanging around Some People around here too long...acccck!

59 posted on 09/05/2001 8:06:38 PM PDT by Mercuria
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To: sarcasm
I can think of a place that they can go.

Back home would be good enough for me...

60 posted on 09/05/2001 8:07:20 PM PDT by Mercuria
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