Posted on 05/29/2025 8:13:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
When I was growing up, people often said British politics were where America’s would be in five, ten or 20 years. What this meant was that Britain was more to the left of America: more secular, more socially liberal, more environmentalist, more globalized. The assumption was that, over time, the left would always win out, so wherever Britain was now, America would soon be.
I traveled to the United Kingdom in May to debate the students and faculty of Cambridge and Oxford Universities in large part because that old assumption is dead and gone. Donald Trump’s political revolution has destroyed it. Now, Britain is the country trailing behind America. Make no mistake: Trump’s revolution is coming to the UK. But as I learned, just like in America, the students of elite universities may be the last to realize.
My first stop was at the Cambridge Union. Stepping onto the Union’s debate floor was like stepping into a time warp, and not just because that floor was once used to plot a map of the D-Day landings. The Cambridge student body might as well be stuck in the high summer of 2020. For all their learning and talent, the students were unprepared and appalled to hear takes that, by now, are mainstream and even boring in America. When I described lockdowns as pointless and forced submission to mRNA shots as tyranny, they seethed and muttered.
When I said George Floyd died from a drug overdose rather than under a police officer’s knee, they went into an uproar. While these students have long abandoned the faith that named Trinity and Jesus Colleges, they remain deeply hostile to heresies against a different religion. The Oxford Union was slightly more open-minded. When I described America and Britain as two of the least racist nations in the entire world, the students merely laughed instead of going into a collective paroxysm.
In a way, the students at Britain’s two oldest universities were identical to those I meet in the US – namely, they were completely obsessed with the fine details of American politics, even our domestic issues. I was prepared for a lot of questions about tariffs, Ukraine and Israel. What I wasn’t expecting were complaints about American tax rates the students would never have to pay and Supreme Court decisions they would never have to abide by. One young man even brought up the Stormy Daniels case. It turns out that Stormy has been a guest speaker at both the Oxford and Cambridge Unions. Don’t Brits have their own dumb sex scandals to follow? Why are they so invested in a half-baked foreign one? More than once, students fretted about President Trump’s decision to admit white South Africans as refugees into America. How much do these students know about the asylum laws of their own country? Many were deeply outraged about Trump’s bid to abolish birthright citizenship, when Britain got rid of it in 1983. Keir Starmer shows no signs of bringing it back.
As in America, a distressing number of British students seem unable to deliver a question without reading it off their phones. That said, the students of Oxbridge are certainly bright – and better at insults than the average American. Some are impressively well-informed.
When the Gaza war came up, I thought I could expose the excessive focus on it by asking a student to name what African state is now in civil war (Sudan); and what Asian country is seeing ongoing ethnic cleansing (Myanmar). Unfortunately for me, he aced both questions. But being clever is not the same as being wise. If Oxbridge students were long on wit, they were short on wisdom.
In the US, an ideological transformation has swept almost every campus I visit. Five years ago, I’d typically meet a wall of hostility like the one I found at Cambridge. But in today’s America, college-age students have moved toward Trump more heavily than any other demographic. The decline of religiosity among young people has halted and may be in reverse. On dozens of campuses in the past year I’ve met thousands of young people refusing to passively accept the decline of their civilization.
In contrast, at Oxbridge I found the dominant outlook to be a depressed and depressing near-nihilism. They were students who hardly cared their country has less free speech than 50 or 100 years ago. They were appalled that a person might think life begins at conception, but not that their own country is being steadily Islamicized. They loved the abstract fight for “democracy” in Ukraine, but find the actual outcome of democracy in America very icky. That fixation on America says it all. There’s more interest in moralizing about the bad man across the Atlantic than in salvaging their own declining country.
In Britain at large, a very different attitude prevails. I spoke to everybody I could while there, from drivers and blue-collar workmen to journalists and the shockingly large number of people who recognized me in the streets. What I heard from them was clear. They’re angry at Britain’s net-zero-driven energy stagnation.
They’re furious at the Biden-esque levels of immigration inflicted on them by their “Conservative” government in the past decade. Over and over, they told me they were ready to smash the British party system to bits and elect a Reform prime minister. The great turn in Britain is coming. And when it arrives, the students of Oxbridge will be the most surprised of all.
Elon for PM. That’ll fix them.
Interesting. Kirk induces such rage among the lefties, quite entertaining.
Reform can win up to 45% of the popular vote and fail to form a government. The Tories would rather form a coalition with the Labour Party.
There won’t be an election until 2029 unless Labor, which has a singular majority (no other parties in the coalition) calls for one. The only way I can see these globalist leftists willingly give up power is if there is major upheaval in the streets of the UK.
They were for the most part, simply incapable of conducting a debate. Every single one I saw would have lost any high school debate tournament I was in and they'd get slapped with contempt in any courtroom in America. They would have lost because they don't have the foggiest idea how to debate....or even how to carry out a reasoned discussion. Their "debate style" is to talk as fast as they can, throw out various spurious accusations combined with snide comments and insults, attempt to filibuster by monopolizing every last second of time, then constantly interrupt once its the other side's turn to speak/answer.
They can not bear to hear anything that is contrary to the Leftist dogma they've been indoctrinated with. For example, the guy he was talking about who knew there was a civil war in Sudan and a border conflict in Burma (Myanmar) called the conflict in Gaza a "genocide". No its not. Not by any definition. He also didn't want to acknowledge that HAMAS started it. HAMAS violates the Geneva Convention by not wearing uniforms (thus making it far more likely civilians will be killed). HAMAS operates from schools, hospitals and mosques again in violation of the Geneva Convention. HAMAS committed all sorts of war crimes against civilians as per the terms of the Geneva Convention and then proudly livestreamed much of it on the internet.
The same dork made a snide comment about how it doesn't matter or its worthless that President Trump is trying to end the war in Ukraine because he hasn't succeeded yet in the first 100 days. So if you're not an instant success at something its worthless to try I guess. He also didn't want to acknowledge that President Trump and his administration played a key role in getting the border conflict between India and Pakistan stopped. In short, he was just the usual hopeless biased, arrogant, loudmouthed Leftist. He was typical of a lot of them.
Sang thing they did in Germany and France. They simply refused to form a coalition with the party that one the most votes.
Then they went crazy and banned the politicians from running, or invoking arcane statutes that allow them to spy on the opposition or in the case of one country just throwing the elections results out and calling for a new election. Europe may already be too far gone to reform itself.
When is it coming to the United States Congress.
Nope.
You are correct.
The American system is rigged and as Trump said after gaining the nomination in 2016 he beat a rigged system.
Well in the UK and in the EU the system is so rigged it is unbeatable.
“”Well in the UK and in the EU the system is so rigged it is unbeatable.””
Seems to me that Australia and Canada systems are also rigged. Ergo, the term “global”. Those filthy rich cretins that meet in Davos might be the ones to look to for some much needed, if not delayed, justice. JS...
For a minute or two it looked like a movement towards common sense was going to prevail in Canada as well, right up until the moment Trump started making those dumb and pointless jokes about annexation.
Nigel Farage is doing great job over there!
Since Brexit, EU cannot interfere with British elections like they did in e.g. Romania.
It seems that most of Tories are switching to Reform, so they can now take over
So, there is good chance!
Tommy Robinson alluded to this in his interview by Ezra Levant of Rebel News after just getting out of prison again.
It’s 54 minutes long, but worth the time to watch/listen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDaH0GOU4Y
(That and the entertainment industries, sadly... but lately I notice a LOT more praise to the Almighty after victories in sporting events, and I think that is a positive trend.)
Sounds like the fools at our 'elite' colleges... except here it's long on BS and short on wisdom...
I know I’ve mentioned before - I was born and raised there.
I know *exactly* where this snotty nosed, arrogant, petulant, etc., attitude comes from. A large part, their religion is leftism. It is bred into them, *very* few have ever attended Church or have Christian parents. It’s the biggest delta I experienced when I arrived here as a teenager.
They grow up with this notion, reinforced by the government and media, that the NHS is the best thing ever - that when the government gives a directive, it is in the best interest of the ‘collective’, and they accept it as morally superior over individual rights. The concept of ‘rights given as a gift from GOD’, immutable by government, has never been taught. It’s almost as though the ‘collective unity’ required to win WWII carried over into the culture for the following decades. If the government says so, it must be good. It’s why free speech has been allowed to be eroded, they think it’s justifiable because the law says so.
It took me a while to grasp; the best interests of the collective ARE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS FIRST, NON-NEGOTIABLE. It’s the only way to limit government.
You could tell, collectively, they were mocking the very idea of an intellectual debate. It was just a big ‘gotcha fest joke’, with who could try to belittle him the best. They were coming from largely white, middle to upper class kids, that don’t experience the realities hitting the working class - like those being sent to prison for free speech. They’ve been immersed with ‘speak against incoming cultures just makes you a racist’ mantra. Tommy Robinson being public enemy #1 - if his name had come up, I can guarantee you what the prevailing attitude would have been (racist).
The ‘what happens there comes here’ has been very true. Up until the left decided there were no limits to their insanity and USA *Christian* culture pushed back - they don’t have this, Churches empty for decades. They are now behind us. These kids were clueless about what is changing. I heard this years’ Easter saw the largest Church attendance in recent memory.
The UK has executed 1984 as the play book - these kids are the last in line believing it all. I’ve always kept on eye on the UK, it’s so sad to see their blindness to where they’re headed.
“There won’t be an election until 2029 unless Labor, which has a singular majority (no other parties in the coalition) calls for one. The only way I can see these globalist leftists willingly give up power is if there is major upheaval in the streets of the UK.”
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Ask the Irish how upheaval in the streets worked out for them.
I don’t disagree with you. I was just pointing out how intellectually bankrupt these supposedly “smart” students were. When they leave their little leftist hothouses and go out into engineering, business etc, people don’t care about the story you tell. You better have facts and evidence to back it up or you’re toast. Nobody cares about your fashionable (among elitist leftists) opinions. These students have not been educated. They’ve only been indoctrinated.
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