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Ukraine confronts a future without America, and perhaps Zelensky
The Economist ^ | 3-1-25 | Unknown to me

Posted on 03/01/2025 9:07:55 AM PST by bimboeruption

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To: The Fop

Yes, a very complicated convoluted history. One that doesn’t map well to the often-superficial understanding of history most people have.


41 posted on 03/01/2025 10:59:29 AM PST by Reily (a)
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To: wildcard_redneck

“ If NATO chooses of voluntary war, there is no reason for America to join in.”

Ukraine isn’t a member of NATO! We are not obligated to protect Ukraine. If the EU wants protect Ukraine, it’s on their dime. What land Russia has taken since 2014, they’re not giving it back. That’s the starting point of negotiations for Russia.


42 posted on 03/01/2025 11:14:18 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Privatize the administrative state!)
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To: bimboeruption

Trump needs to end the payment of salaries and paychecks for all Ukrainians immediately.

End the payments of Zelinski’s workers. Let the EU pay for it.


43 posted on 03/01/2025 11:15:04 AM PST by Jumper
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To: bimboeruption

The Economist is a horrible Globalist Rag.


44 posted on 03/01/2025 12:05:10 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Texas is not about where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind and Attitude.)
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To: bimboeruption
--- "But does Europe have the backbone to militarily support Ukraine without our backing?"

Note that to date no European nation's military has 'officially' crossed the Ukrainian border, to fight in military alliance and action with the Ukrainian military under Zelensky.

Their bluff is being called, and the best the EU can imagine is completing the expropriation of Russian money under EU control. Once the EU "nationalizes" the money, they will further blot their copybook and make any further "settlement" with Russia all the more difficult for them.

My wife observes that Zelensky spends a great deal of time outside Ukraine these days....

45 posted on 03/01/2025 12:23:34 PM PST by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: SaxxonWoods; Liz; GOPJ; nopardons
"Europe has nothing but words when it needs bullets and soldiers. Enough of America playing the fool for NATO..." * * *

That's it, SaxxonWoods. Well said.

In many respects, Ukraine today is like Japan before it surrendered. Japan was utterly defeated in the Spring of 1945. Yet its tyrannical military leaders held a stranglehold on the people.

The death of 2,900 suicide attacks could not stop the inevitable defeat of Japan.

The war is over. Ukraine can't win. And Europe is not going to send its soldiers to fight in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian people must rise up and overthrow Voldemort Zelensky, the evil tyrant who refuses to show mercy to his own people. Until Z is stopped, the suicide attacks in the Ukrainian killing fields will continue.

46 posted on 03/01/2025 1:18:41 PM PST by poconopundit (Kash Patel, his potrait's in Webster's next to the word "gangbusters". Go Kash go! Love ya man!)
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To: bimboeruption

They say Trump is unpredictable which is untrue.

Trump is ONLY unpredictable to those who view things through the prism from which the establishment takes its view.

Trump has assessed the situation perfectly.

He said that the con man did not want a peace deal.

If the con man wants a deal, then he will have to STFU, sit at the kiddie table and eat crow followed by a dessert of humble pie.

Zelensky took himself out of the negotiations as far as Trump is concerned.

The con man will have to unceremoniously sign a deal, then Trump cuts a deal with Putin freezing out the con man and his team.

Otherwise, Trumps cuts off the spigot and the Euroweenies and the little dictator go it alone.


47 posted on 03/01/2025 1:29:17 PM PST by Biblebelter
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To: Biblebelter

The Democrats basically want Z to be the face of the Anti-Trump Resistance, because they don’t have one of their own.


48 posted on 03/01/2025 1:30:53 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: poconopundit
SPOT ON!

The EU is worse than worthless, the European nations will do NOTHING AT ALL for teeny Mr. Z., so he'd better face the hard, cold facts of the situation, because UNCLE SUGAR is done with them for good and all, now that the mineral deal has been left in a muddy puddle.

49 posted on 03/01/2025 2:03:22 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

You’re right, nopardons. And I love your imagery. The mineral deal has indeed been “left in a muddy puddle.”


50 posted on 03/01/2025 2:27:01 PM PST by poconopundit (Kash Patel, his potrait's in Webster's next to the word "gangbusters". Go Kash go! Love ya man!)
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To: hanamizu

My grandmother was a Russian living in Ukraine. I get it. They hate each other and always have.


51 posted on 03/01/2025 2:40:12 PM PST by yldstrk (Nothing like the truth)
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To: poconopundit

Many thanks; much appreciated!


52 posted on 03/01/2025 2:48:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: yldstrk

Many different people have what used be known as “BLOOD HATRED” for others, which most Americans don’t understand. A lot of it has to do with having been taken over by the other and/or one nation meddling with another one/s; even if that was a century or more ago.


53 posted on 03/01/2025 2:52:38 PM PST by nopardons
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To: dfwgator

The idea that Putin is under the same risk of being harmed as Zelensky if either one makes a deal is really far-fetched.


54 posted on 03/01/2025 4:18:41 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Trump has all the right enemies, DeSantis has all the wrong friends.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I know that the Ukraine is not a member of NATO and is not an ally. What I am saying is that if Europe wants to voluntarily fight a war with Russia then we are under no obligation to defend the belligerents.


55 posted on 03/02/2025 9:35:39 AM PST by wildcard_redneck ( )
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