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Why SCOTUS Needs To Reevaluate The Problem It Created In Obergefell
The Federalist ^ | 02/19/2025 | Jeremiah Keenan

Posted on 02/19/2025 9:29:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The Obergefell ruling rode rough-shod over religions and dozens of state constitutions on the bases of a moral — not legal — opinion.

In late January, the Idaho House of Representatives passed a memorandum calling on the U.S. Supreme Court to “reverse” its 2015 gay marriage decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, “and restore the natural definition of marriage, a union of one man and one woman.”

The memo passed 46 to 24 in the House and is heading to the Idaho Senate. If it passes the senate, it will be sent on to the Supreme Court as one more formal encouragement that it take up a case that might overturn Obergefell.

The memo excoriates the “illegitimate overreach” in Obergefell, arguing that the decision redefined marriage in direct opposition to its natural, age-old definition, one also enshrined in Idaho’s state constitution.

The argument might seem 10 years late, but it comes at a time when — after the 2022 repeal of Roe v. Wade and the reinstallation of Trump — the Supreme Court might be receptive to such a call.

Back in 2020, sitting justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito argued that the Obergefell decision should be overturned — or at least fixed. The justices agreed that Obergefell had no basis at all in the 14th Amendment. The decision functions as law, overriding state and previous federal law to redefine the essence of marriage in a manner at odds with all major religions on earth. Obergefell rode rough-shod over these religions and dozens of state constitutions on the bases of a moral — not legal — opinion that the traditional definition of marriage espouses “a bigoted worldview,” at the dissenting opinion described it.

“The court has created a problem that only it can fix,” the justices wrote. “Until then, Obergefell will continue to have “ruinous consequences for religious liberty.’”

Why Repeal Obergefell?

In a nation where young women are celebrating because men who think they are women may be no longer allowed to smash records in women’s sports, arguing about the natural definition of marriage may seem passe.

And maybe it is.

But it’s important to realize that because of how Obergefell was decided, the same-sex marriage issue is logically intertwined with the transgender craze of the last 10 years. Obergefell didn’t just say, “same-sex couples operate in ways pretty similar to infertile opposite-sex couples from a legal perspective, so let’s give marriage certificates to those who want them.” Obergefell also argued that gays and lesbians are designed by nature only to marry one another.

Marriage has been thought of as a permanent sexually sealed union between a man and woman from time immemorial, but for gays and lesbians, Obergefell declared, “their immutable nature dictates that same-sex marriage is their only real path to this profound commitment.”

In other words, Obergefell doesn’t argue that the legal definition of marriage should be adjusted for practical reasons. The court, instead, rejected the idea that men and women are naturally meant for one another, sexually speaking. Obergefell declares that as a dictate of nature some physically normal people’s sexual biology is “meant” to be used with a member of the same sex.

The court decided that some physically normal men and women are directed by their “immutable nature” to “only” marry members of their own sex. This rather dubious assumption became the entire basis for their claim that marriage must be redefined as a 14th Amendment right.

Transgenderism

But how did this relate to the trans phenomenon? The trans argument — which became popular immediately after Obergefell — declared that some people actually are the sexual opposite of their completely obvious physical biology. Obergefell declared the opposite of the obvious design-based function of male-female sexuality: a man can be sexually “meant for” a man. A woman can be sexually “meant for” a woman. The trans argument took a further step by denying not just apparent design, but actual, physical reality: a man can literally be a woman.

The logic in Obergefell is less socially problematic than transgenderism. We do not always have to use our bodies exactly according to their apparent design function. But Obergefell positively claims that some physically normal people are designed by nature to have sex with their own sex. There is the same disregard for physical reality as we find in the claim that a person can actually be by nature a member of the opposite sex.

A Reality Check

There are only two sexes — male and female — and these two sexes are equipped with complementary halves of the human sexual system. That is a matter of immutable nature. Those who identify as “gay” or “lesbian,” as well as those who simply enjoy a little “gay” sex on the side, have the same immutable nature as everyone else.

As for people’s sexual attractions and desires, they are — like all attractions and desires — not really “immutable” or biologically inborn. As I have argued at length before, people’s non-heterosexual sexual preferences are usually quite fluid over the course of five or ten years, particularly before people make choices in life and settle down.

This doesn’t mean that there should be no laws in America accommodating those who commit to a gay lifestyle. But it does mean that Obergefell ought to be scrapped and replaced with something rational — something that respects those who wish to be in committed same-sex relationships as well as those who for religious or moral reasons would not choose to do the same.

Will SCOTUS Reconsider Obergefell in 2025?

Statements like Idaho’s are only toothless petitions — what’s needed is lawsuits and robust debate.

Obergefell could be overturned by the same five justices who overturned Roe v. Wade. The likelihood of this was enough to cause Democrats to push through a repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act in 2022. Two years later, in the November 2024 election, three left-leaning states took the trouble to alter their constitutions by ballot for the same reason — because they knew Obergefell might go the way of Roe v Wade.

Nevertheless, to date, it is not clear if Obergefell will face serious reexamination. The only current case that seeks to challenge Obergefell stems from the protracted legal wranglings surrounding Kim Davis’ case from 2015. The matter is in the Sixth Circuit, but it’s not likely to be heard by SCOTUS — the court, including Thomas and Alito, decided against reviewing her case back in 2020.

And so, for now — logic or no logic — Obergefell remains the law of the land.


Jeremiah Keenan is a pro-life activist and freelance writer. He recently graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he argued with leftists and wrote for The Daily Pennsylvanian. also earned a bachelors in mathematics and assisted the sociology department researching religious opinion trends on eugenics, race, birth control, and homosexuality. Jeremiah grew up in China and lives, at the moment, in Ohio.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fourteenthamendment; gaymarriage; homosexuality; homosexualpolicy; obergefell; originalism; samesexmirage; scotus; supremecourt
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1 posted on 02/19/2025 9:29:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: rdl6989

Bookmark.


2 posted on 02/19/2025 9:33:53 PM PST by rdl6989
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To: SeekAndFind

I doubt that it will happen, but it will be great if it does.


3 posted on 02/19/2025 9:34:00 PM PST by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: SeekAndFind

It was a judicial coup by the Communists in the federal courts.

And now we see, despite arguments by John Roberts to the contrary, that the federal courts are hopelessly crippled by politics.


4 posted on 02/19/2025 9:36:21 PM PST by kiryandil (No one in AZ that voted for Trump voted for Gallego )
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To: SeekAndFind

It would be nice. But it’ll never happen. Roberts and the 4 women will never overturn it.


5 posted on 02/19/2025 9:45:59 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: SeekAndFind

The 14th Amendment is a slavery amendment devised after a war which was not fought over gay marriage.

14th Amendment does have anything to do with gay marriage, only slavery and black people brought over the Atlantic Ocean in slave ships. Nor did they discuss gay marriage at the debates which created the 14th amendment.

14th Amendment is not and never was capable of addressing the issue of marriage.

The solution to this problem is, as always, originalism. An originalist view of the 14th amendment resolves this issue very simply and very cleanly.


6 posted on 02/19/2025 9:48:14 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

* does not


7 posted on 02/19/2025 9:49:37 PM PST by ProgressingAmerica (We cannot vote our way out of these problems. The only way out is to activist our way out.)
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To: kiryandil

“And now we see, despite arguments by John Roberts to the contrary, that the federal courts are hopelessly crippled by politics.”

Roberts has been proven to be a legal retard.


8 posted on 02/19/2025 9:49:41 PM PST by Paladin2 (the Bee?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Kim Davis has (as far as I know) had her professional life ruined by overlapping, unending lawsuits associated with her one clear act of court defiance. Let’s not even bring up all of those ,”Bake the Gay Cake!!” lawsuits. Too many judges have sided and abetted this lawfare.


9 posted on 02/19/2025 9:50:48 PM PST by lee martell
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To: SeekAndFind

Legally speaking overturning the homosexual marriage decision, won’t have any practical effect.

Congress passed the Respect for Marriage Act in 2022.

That law explicitly legalizes homosexual marriage.

So even if the Sureme Court reverses itself, all that would do is to say that there is no constitutional right to homosexual marriage. It would not overturn laws which explicitly allow for that.

And as noted , a number of states have legalized homosexual marriage in their state laws.

And as we see happening with abortion, with Roe vs. Wade being overturned, the Dobbs decision means that there is no constitutional right to abortion. But it does not prevent legalization of abortion through the legislative process.


10 posted on 02/19/2025 10:04:09 PM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SeekAndFind

I don’t see this as top priority. The article says the gays and the trannies are linked, but I know plenty of gays who want nothing to do with the trannies.


11 posted on 02/19/2025 10:16:20 PM PST by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Yes, you are correct. If Obergefell is overturned many states will keep legalized same-sex marriage because banning homosexual marriage isn’t as popular an issue as, say, keeping male athletes out of women’s sports.


12 posted on 02/19/2025 10:18:16 PM PST by FormerFRLurker ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"-Voltaire)
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To: SeekAndFind

Man, this will really frost the .000000001% of Idahoans who showed up to protest Trump on the holiday. Maybe they can hold their breaths til they turn blue.


13 posted on 02/19/2025 10:19:56 PM PST by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: SeekAndFind
As for people’s sexual attractions and desires, they are — like all attractions and desires — not really “immutable” or biologically inborn.

Sex may be exclusively genetic, but that does not mean homosexuality is therefore not heritable. The author pretends genetics are the exclusive determinant, as if epigenetics do not exist. In that respect, the author does no favors to his argument.

14 posted on 02/19/2025 10:27:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: GOPJ; poconopundit; Jane Long; Diana in Wisconsin; Grampa Dave; Godzilla; Vaduz; null and void; ...

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15 posted on 02/19/2025 10:31:32 PM PST by Liz
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To: DesertRhino
Roberts and the 4 women will never overturn it.

Really? Roberts filed a dissent in Obergefell which was joined by Scalia and Thomas.

16 posted on 02/19/2025 10:38:04 PM PST by thegagline (Sic semper tyrannis! Trump & Vance, 2024! (Formerly) Goldwater & Thomas Sowell)
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To: thegagline

He did probono work in Colorado to bring in gay marriage. Back then it was 6-3 so he could be brave. Now the four women would block vote, so he would be the swing vote. No way he would be willing to be THE one who killed it.


17 posted on 02/19/2025 10:57:58 PM PST by DesertRhino (2016 Star Wars, 2020 The Empire Strikes Back, 2025... RETURN OF THE JEDI...)
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To: Engraved-on-His-hands
I doubt that it will happen, but it will be great if it does.

True, but then again, we doubted Roe would be overturned and Trump re-elected.

If God so chooses to move in this, He can and will.

18 posted on 02/19/2025 11:43:47 PM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus)
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To: SeekAndFind

As long as the government grants benefits to an individual citizen solely on the basis of being married, I have to look closely at any marriage laws.


19 posted on 02/20/2025 12:02:29 AM PST by VanShuyten ("...that all the donkeys were dead. I know nothing as to the fate of the less valuable animals)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
14th Amendment does have anything to do with gay marriage, only slavery and black people brought over the Atlantic Ocean in slave ships.

14A has explicit application to the due process and equal protection rights of all persons.

"...nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

20 posted on 02/20/2025 12:10:59 AM PST by woodpusher
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