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Former Police Officer Says No Way to Ban ‘Ghost Guns’ Now
AmmoLand ^ | December 16, 2024 | Dean Weingarten

Posted on 12/26/2024 4:26:29 AM PST by marktwain

In an article by whyy.org, the National Public Radio station quotes retired police officer Randy Sutton, who says banning “Ghost guns” will not stop people from getting them. The reporter added interesting commentary to the quotes by Sutton.

Sutton added that because ghost guns are not regulated, making them go away outright is unrealistic.

Sutton’s words might be interpreted in such a manner. It seems clear Sutton meant the guns would not “go away outright” whether they were banned or not, whether they were regulated or not. Here is a quote from Sutton in the article.

“There’s not a chance in the world we’re going to ban these weapons. It’s impossible,” Sutton said. “You can make them illegal to possess. But the techno barn door has already been opened.”

The article includes this graphic from the Philadelphia police department. It shows a declining percentage of privately made firearms in the last two years.

Sutton understands the reality, including the political reality. The technology to make guns without a factory has always existed in the United States, as has the legal right to do so.

Most guns were made in small shops during the Revolutionary era. Manufacturing was rapidly changing at the time of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. In a few decades, interchangeable parts would become a common technique. The first successful attempt at interchangeable parts for firearms was in France in 1785. Thomas Jefferson witnessed the demonstration. The French Revolution destroyed the workshop where the demonstration happened and even the memory of its success.

Thomas Jefferson took the concept to America. The United States pushed for interchangeable parts in its military small arms. In 1824, at Harpers Ferry Armory, the attempt succeeded.


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KEYWORDS: banglist; expert; ghostgun
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1 posted on 12/26/2024 4:26:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“The only restriction written into the Second Amendment is a restriction on legislating restrictions” L.Star


2 posted on 12/26/2024 4:43:58 AM PST by Qwapisking (Q: know the difference between a petulant 6 y.o. and a liberal? A:age. L.Star )
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To: marktwain

“Ghost guns” is a demonization term much like Saturday Night Special or Assault Rifle. It’s a term used to emotionally influence the gullible and ignorant by the deceitful.


3 posted on 12/26/2024 4:55:09 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain
"The first successful attempt at interchangeable parts for firearms was in France in 1785."

The brown bess was adopted much earlier in the 1700s, with the entire concept being muskets built to a standardized pattern and measurements.

4 posted on 12/26/2024 5:01:20 AM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: marktwain

Maybe the problem isn’t the guns.
Your incarcerated, or institutionalized, you shouldn’t be armed. Perhaps if your to dangerous to have self defense, your to dangerous to be on the streets. The people who wrote the Constitution expected everyone to be armed who wasn’t under guard essentially.

Maybe the problem is actually mental health. What if we allowed everyone who wasn’t incarcerated or institutionalized to be armed, except those with ongoing mental health problems. This is how it was for 2 hundred years, and we didn’t seem to have mass shooting by medicated and/or gender confused people every few weeks.


5 posted on 12/26/2024 5:37:48 AM PST by Pete Dovgan
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To: marktwain

At the time of our founding, the most powerful weapon of war was a ship bristling with cannon.

It was perfectly legal for an individual to own one.


6 posted on 12/26/2024 5:44:19 AM PST by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: marktwain

Famous ‘scientific study’ has yet to show a gun committing crime!

Assault Weapon Watch - Coalition to Prevent Assault Weapon Violence
http://www.assaultweaponwatch.com/


7 posted on 12/26/2024 6:02:52 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: FreedomPoster

SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIAL!
ARMY SURPLUS WAR RIFLE.
Ghetto Blaster!
Plastic framed pistol for airline hijackings.
DUM-DUM BULLETS.
COP KILLER BULLETS.
As-s-s-ault rifle
Now As-s-s-ault pistol...

GHOST GUNS!
All names designed to frighten the public.


8 posted on 12/26/2024 6:03:24 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Joe 6-pack

“The first successful attempt at interchangeable parts for firearms was in France in 1785.”
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IIRC, the hangup with interchangable parts was the threaded fasteners. (Back then, threads were cut by hand).

Colt was prominent among manufacturers to standardize threads for their early pistols.


9 posted on 12/26/2024 6:09:58 AM PST by Does so (A country about to outlaw Yellow #4 food dye, but makes Marijuana legal?...🇺🇦...Dem☭¢rat...≣ ∅)
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To: marktwain

Everytime I hear about “Ghost Guns”, I go back and check that pesky constitution thingie, and all I can find are 4 words...

Shall not be infringed.


10 posted on 12/26/2024 6:31:50 AM PST by joe fonebone (And the people said NO! The End)
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To: marktwain
The technology to make guns without a factory has always existed in the United States, as has the legal right to do so.

Yeah, but when you're talking about a 1969 Colt Python, hand made by a handful of Master Craftsmen at Colt Guns, nobody can match that.

Just saying. Not even today's Colt can match that which is why the modern Pythons don't compare to "back in the day." I've got two from "back in the day", btw.

11 posted on 12/26/2024 6:32:16 AM PST by LouAvul (He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. [2 Sam 23:3])
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I had one, once, back in the 1970’s.

Nice gun, but they had a reputation for getting out of time when fired with full powered loads.


12 posted on 12/26/2024 6:41:13 AM PST by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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they had a reputation for getting out of time when fired with full powered loads.

I've been owning Pythons since the 70s and I've never experienced such, even with full powered loads. I've never even seen such. Never even heard of such a thing ... till now.

Now, I did handle an Anaconda that was out of time. The Anacondas had an issue with getting out of time, but it wasn't because of the loads.

First I've heard of it and it sounds like much ado about nothing. I hope you didn't get rid of your Python simply because of something you were afraid might happen.

13 posted on 12/26/2024 6:59:46 AM PST by LouAvul (He that ruleth over men must be just, ruling in the fear of God. [2 Sam 23:3])
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Bingo!

Nice list.


14 posted on 12/26/2024 7:06:54 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I thought a “ghetto blaster” was a portable stereo.


15 posted on 12/26/2024 7:11:14 AM PST by Disambiguator
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To: marktwain

I know a guy who can build a functioning firearm in the aisles of Home Depot, in about 10 minutes. I don’t see it as a problem.


16 posted on 12/26/2024 7:15:33 AM PST by Fireone (1.Avoid crowds 2.Head on a swivel 3.Be prepared to protect & defend those around you 4.Avoid crowds)
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To: LouAvul

I have a good friend who had one, and it got out of time. He went to well known pistol smith who asked him if he would like to see how he fixed it. The pistol smith took out a part ( I think it was the hand, put it on an anvil and gave it a good smack with a hammer. That elongated it enough to bring it back into time.

With a little searching on the Internet, it appear it is fast double action firing which places undue wear on the hand in the Colt Python design.

Don’t do a lot of fast double action firing, and the wear on the hand may never show up.

The S&W action uses a bit of a different mechanical process.


17 posted on 12/26/2024 7:18:39 AM PST by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: LouAvul

Here is what a person who used a Python in competition said on an Internet forum:

“The Python’s action is very delicate when compared to a Smith & Wesson. I once tried to shoot Pythons (several) in N.R.A. police combat competition and their timing would not hold up to a lot of shooting. I had one that was worked over by the Colt custom shop and it was very accurate, but after a few thousand rounds the timing would go. This was corrected by “stretching” the hand which had to be done several times. I did earn a 8 point leg towards Distinguished with it but it seemed to constantly require timing adjustment. The Colt is timed by the advancing hands length which wears quickly. A Smith & Wesson is timed by the width of the hand which is a much more durable system. A Colts timing is corrected by a knowledgeable person with a hammer, punch and file.”

https://www.1911forum.com/threads/old-python-vs-new.1066673/

Pistol competitors often shoot more in a week than most pistol owners shoot in a couple of years.


18 posted on 12/26/2024 7:29:25 AM PST by marktwain (The Republic is at risk. Resistance to the Democratic Party is Resistance to Tyranny. )
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To: LouAvul
I worked at Colts back when it was still Colts at the original Hartford factory. We still had antique machinery and tooling from the early century that were being used, The best part of Colts was the master gunsmiths and craftsmen that worked there.
19 posted on 12/26/2024 8:47:30 AM PST by ABN 505 (Right is right if nobody is right, and wrong is wrong if everybody is wrong. ~Archbishop Fulton John)
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To: marktwain

Well, our domestic moronic communists can always call: GhostBusters!!!!!....LMAO.


20 posted on 12/26/2024 9:00:35 AM PST by lgjhn23 ("On the 8th day, Satan created the progressive liberal to destroy all the good that God created..." )
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