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No, Socialized Medicine Wouldn’t Have Saved United Healthcare’s CEO
The Federalist ^ | 12/17/2024 | Amanda Parry

Posted on 12/17/2024 6:51:52 PM PST by SeekAndFind

By now, it is clear that Luigi Mangione, the young man who allegedly killed United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson, was not an impoverished victim of a harsh capitalist system. It’s possible he had mental health issues. It is almost certain he suffered from chronic pain.

But his alleged actions were not the logical outcome of being denied health care, although that’s what many on the left are claiming. No further proof of this is needed now that it is being reported that Mangione was never covered by United Healthcare.

Whatever Mangione’s alleged motives, one thing is clear: Thompson did not deserve to die. To paint Thompson, the victim of this crime, as the villain demonstrates not only a break from reality but an extreme willingness by some on the left to twist a narrative to further their agenda.

Although it has become apparent that Mangione was neither a personal victim of Thompson nor of the U.S. health-care system (his family has more money than God), it has led to a chorus of leftist leaders throwing up their hands and saying, “See, this is what happens when you have private insurers in charge.”

What they fail to recognize is that if the government ran health care, which is what they want, the government would be deciding who gets access to care. As much as I detest politicians, I would never advocate shooting one of them.

Leaders such as Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. are playing a dangerous game. Warren claimed Thompson’s murder should serve as a warning “to everyone in the health-care system” that “people can be pushed only so far.” She later attempted to walk back the comments, telling Politico, “Violence is never the answer.”

Ocasio-Cortez made an even more ridiculous statement, claiming that denying health insurance claims could be perceived as an act of violence.

By making comments that attempt to justify violence while claiming they don’t advocate it, Warren and Ocasio-Cortez are employing the rhetorical standards of kindergartners. In the real world, “He started it,” or “She is a booger,” are not acceptable arguments. I don’t think representatives of the American people should be allowed to use this infantile level of reasoning without being called on it.

Their comments also fail to recognize that in countries where the government runs health care, people are routinely denied treatment.

In April 2024, a group of women painted their bodies pink and stood outside the United Kingdom’s Houses of Parliament. They were protesting that the government-run health service was refusing to cover the cost of Enhertu. That drug could give terminally ill patients with a subtype of incurable breast cancer an additional six months of life. The 31 protestors represented the 31 women across the U.K. who die from advanced breast cancer every day.

A 2024 study by the Fraser Institute found that Canadians wait an average of 30 weeks for treatment. In Europe, where government-run healthcare is the norm, there are huge inequities among the citizens of different countries in when they can access new cancer treatments. In other words, substituting one set of bureaucrats for another does not mean everyone gets what he needs.

Innovation in the field of medicine is constant. Doctors will always be eager to try out new medical protocols. Administrators will always be anxious to keep costs down.

This is true no matter who is running the system. Warren, Ocasio-Cortez, and others like them are not helping their constituents when they claim otherwise. They are simply making fools of themselves.


Amanda Parry is a former newspaper reporter and the mother of two amazing special-needs children. Her work has appeared in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Scary Mommy, and Real Clear Politics.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: healthcare; socialism
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1 posted on 12/17/2024 6:51:52 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Can we compare what happens to the average patient in Europe vs the USA (let’s assume the patient is insured here) when the patient suddenly has a heart attack?

How much does this average patient have to pay for his procedure in Europe vs the USA?


2 posted on 12/17/2024 6:53:56 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Coinkydinks abound tonight...

Luigi Mangione’s high-powered attorney is married to Diddy’s top lawyer

3 posted on 12/17/2024 6:54:58 PM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Compare survival rates to see why socialized medicine sucks.


4 posted on 12/17/2024 6:55:55 PM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m Candian, as most know. I’ve paid over $200,000 for healthcare without ever having used it. It’s not the money saver that its advocates claim it is.


5 posted on 12/17/2024 6:56:55 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: Jonty30

RE: I’ve paid over $200,000 for healthcare without ever having used it.

Over how many years?


6 posted on 12/17/2024 7:00:45 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: mewzilla

RE: Compare survival rates to see why socialized medicine sucks.

We in America don’t seem to be doing better than other developed countries. See here:

https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/chart-collection/mortality-rates-u-s-compare-countries/#Chart:%20Percentage%20decrease%20in%20age-adjusted%20circulatory%20diseases%20mortality%20rate,%201990-2015


7 posted on 12/17/2024 7:03:55 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Peterson-KFF...

I’m gonna need a cite that ain’t Deep State, SeekAndFind. :-)


8 posted on 12/17/2024 7:06:58 PM PST by mewzilla (Swing away, Mr. President, swing away!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Over a working life. 38 years so far.
SHould the day come when I compromise my principles, for self-preservation, I will only get a fraction of that back in terms of care.


9 posted on 12/17/2024 7:14:31 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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RE: Over a working life. 38 years so far.

Well thank God you are a healthy person and I hope you stay that way for a long time.

But you’ll grow old and sick eventually and that’s where your 38 years of contribution comes in.

But hey, we in the USA are no different from you. We contribute our FICA during our working years which is the combined Social Security rate of 6.2 percent and the Medicare rate of 1.45 percent, totalling 7.65 percent for 2024.

But the 1.45% Medicare contribution we have amounts to no more than $100,000 contributed over 38 years for Medicare ( which one automatically qualifies for when one reaches 65 in the USA ).

But American Medicare doesn’t cover everything. Let’s say you get hospitalized, Inpatient hospital care: After you meet your deductible, Part A covers 100% for days 1-60. The deductible for an inpatient hospital stay in 2025 is $1,676. For a stay longer than 60 days, you will pay coinsurance. Skilled nursing facility stay: Part A covers 100% for days 1-20.

I’m sure you don’t pay a deductible like we do here in Canada.


10 posted on 12/17/2024 7:25:47 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

When I grow old, there is no money for me for my healthcare. That’s the con. The government took my money and spent it on other people. There is none of my money, taken for healthcare, for me.

It has to come from a generation that insufficiently exists, because your generation and my generation killed them for our convenience. The generation that is left, that supposedly pays for my healthcare will be too busy trying to feed themselves and their families while trying to handle the debt they were given with no benefits from that debt.

Those who created socialist medicine killed the future of the children.


11 posted on 12/17/2024 7:37:13 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: Jonty30

[The government took my money and spent it on other people. There is none of my money, taken for healthcare, for me.]

That’s why Laz and I, individually, are hoping for either the Rapture or World War III (Democrat Joe is working hard on that one)

Thanks, Barack Obama. And John McCain. And Nancy Pelosi. And Arlen Specter.


12 posted on 12/17/2024 7:44:31 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

BTTT


13 posted on 12/17/2024 7:44:51 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lazamataz

oops


14 posted on 12/17/2024 7:45:00 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

If Christ doesn’t come when it’s my time, I figured that I can enjoy my last days sitting by the river bank and watch the days go by until I get sleepy for the last time. :)

Healthcare really isn’t that difficult of a problem if the political will was there. Just let people have HSA’s that generate income that they can use for healthcare expenses.


15 posted on 12/17/2024 7:48:04 PM PST by Jonty30 (Genghis Khan did not have the most descendants. His father had more. )
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To: Jonty30

Yeah - they seem to purposely go out-of-their way to make it a problem - FOR THE MASSES


16 posted on 12/17/2024 7:51:00 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SaveFerris

Personally, I’m hoping for the rapture.


17 posted on 12/17/2024 8:46:48 PM PST by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: Jonty30

And every single one of those socialists deserves to burn forever.


18 posted on 12/17/2024 8:47:24 PM PST by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: No name given

AMEN to that 🙏🙏🙏✝️✝️✝️🛐🛐🛐🙏🙏🙏


19 posted on 12/17/2024 8:53:46 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Nah we can save the plane ticket and just go to Canada :)

I’ve known a number of people who have reported catastophic results in their hospitals.


20 posted on 12/17/2024 10:08:56 PM PST by dp0622 (Tried a coup, a fake tax story, tramp slander, Russia nonsense, impeachment and a virus. They lost.)
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