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Kristen Welker’s Question To Trump About Birthright Citizenship Completely Misses The Point
https://thefederalist.com ^ | 12/9/2024 | Brianna Lyman

Posted on 12/09/2024 8:16:19 AM PST by bitt

The propaganda press exploits the lack of legal clarity about the issue to malign Trump as willing to stomp on the Constitution.

NBC’s Kristen Welker asked President-elect Donald Trump on Sunday if he still planned to end birthright citizenship. Trump affirmed his plans. But the way Welker deliberately misrepresented the amendment reveals not only a glaring need for clarification from Congress or the Supreme Court about whether children born to illegal aliens are citizens but the dangers of a press who are willing to craft law by word of mouth.

“You promised to end birthright citizenship on day one,” Welker said. “Is that still your plan?”

“Yeah, absolutely,” Trump responded.

Welker responded: “The 14th Amendment, though, says that, quote: ‘All persons born in the United States are citizens.'” Welker then asked if Trump will use “executive action” to circumvent the Constitution.

But that’s not exactly what the 14th Amendment says — though it may be what Welker and her other fellow Democrat propagandists wish it said. The media’s insistence on interpreting the 14th Amendment as a blanket guarantee of birthright citizenship fuels widespread confusion — but it’s deliberate. Take for example, that Politico’s Mia McCarthy reported Trump would have to “go around the 14th Amendment” to end birthright citizenship. CNN’s Daniel Dale wrote that the 14th Amendment says “someone born in the U.S. is granted automatic citizenship even if their parents are not citizens.”

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: birthright; citizenship; trump

1 posted on 12/09/2024 8:16:19 AM PST by bitt
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2 posted on 12/09/2024 8:16:32 AM PST by bitt (<img src=' 'width=30%>)
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To: bitt
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside"
14th Amendment.
3 posted on 12/09/2024 8:19:02 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: bitt

“and subject to the jurisdiction of.....” The 14th was intended to apply to freed former slaves in the US. NOT ILLEGALS here on baby drop vacations, extended stays, or just enter-and-drop a baby US citizen, etc.

If both your parents are citizens of another country, the baby born here isn’t really “subject to the jurisdiction of” this country in its full meaning.

Do it, let Democrats sue up to the USSC and let’s see what happens on the decision.


4 posted on 12/09/2024 8:23:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: bitt

Jurisdiction is a two-way street. By illegally crossing into this country and remaining here they have made the declaration that they WILL NOT accept the jurisdiction of US Laws. They are still foreign nationals without visas, and invaders.


5 posted on 12/09/2024 8:28:51 AM PST by bakeneko
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To: Gaffer

I HATE how those bastards warp and twist Amendments ratified after the CW to fit their modern-day visions. As you point out, the 14th was very specifically ratified to protect freed slaves, not baby-dumpers.


6 posted on 12/09/2024 8:36:58 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (“Facts can be ignored, but their consequences cannot be escaped” -- Thomas Sowell)
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To: Gaffer
"Do it, let Democrats sue up to the USSC and let’s see what happens on the decision."

The progressives have gone to great lengths to PREVENT illegals from being subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government.

They have created so-called "sanctuary cities" with the express intention to deny federal jurisdiction and have proclaimed their authority to do so. At least one lower court judge permitted an illegal to use a non-public entrance to avoid federal jurisdiction.

The progressives have bellowed their opposition to "separating families" by holding illegal parents to account for violating immigration laws. Such separation is routine for U.S. citizens who violate the laws. Apparently, illegals and their children are not subject to the jurisdiction charged with enforcing such laws.

7 posted on 12/09/2024 8:39:40 AM PST by William Tell
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To: bitt

At this point, I believe the baby should have the same status as the mother. If she is here illegally, so is the baby. If she has some temporary status, that is what the baby has, etc. Only if the mother is or becomes a US citizen should the baby become a US citizen.

And I think one of the penalties for being here illegally should be never, ever being able to become a US citizen. All this talk of “a path to citizenship” should be thrown out the window.


8 posted on 12/09/2024 9:47:49 AM PST by Chicory
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To: bitt

Welker has all the leanings of a marxist. And her glaring eyes tell it all.


9 posted on 12/09/2024 9:49:08 AM PST by blackberry1
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To: bitt

Trump should give a trolling Kamala answer, verbatim and inflections, one time with these airheads.

It would be the stuff of memes that grandpas would share with grandchildren over the years.

Wide eyed todlers, just brimming with awe and pride.


10 posted on 12/09/2024 10:58:01 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: William Tell

The progressives have gone to great lengths to PREVENT illegals from being subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government.
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Excellent points in yourpost.


11 posted on 12/09/2024 11:15:59 AM PST by sunny bonobo
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To: bitt
The idiots don't understand the difference between being within a jurisdiction as opposed to being subject to a jurisdiction.

If I'm driving a car in Britain I must adhere to traffic laws but that doesn't make me a British subject.

I clarified this issue in detail on this site 17 years ago.

12 posted on 12/09/2024 11:39:03 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The tree of liberty needs a rope.)
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To: bitt

“In the famous Slaughter-House cases of 1872, the Supreme Court stated that this qualifying phrase was intended to exclude “children of ministers, consuls, and citizens or subjects of foreign States born within the United States.” This was confirmed in 1884 in another case, Elk vs. Wilkins, when citizenship was denied to an American Indian because he “owed immediate allegiance to” his tribe and not the United States.”

https://www.heritage.org/immigration/commentary/birthright-citizenship-fundamental-misunderstanding-the-14th-amendment


13 posted on 12/09/2024 1:39:16 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: William Tell

Then, as they have gone to ‘great lengths’ to remove them from ....jurisdiction of..... they (THEIR CHILDREN BORN HERE) aren’t afforded citizenship within the meaning of the 14th, IMO. :0)


14 posted on 12/09/2024 2:00:22 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: William Tell

Separation of families, e.g., parent from child, is ROUTINE in common LE situations where a parent gets hauled off to jail and there is a minor without other parent around who is shipped off to CPS.


15 posted on 12/09/2024 2:02:23 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: blackberry1

Cray-Cray eyes


16 posted on 12/09/2024 2:12:57 PM PST by Fledermaus (The election is over! We won big! So why are so many here nick picking, moaning, and whining? )
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To: bitt

If I was DJT, I would always carry a copy of the US Constitution in my pocket and pull it out upon need. “Your question is inaccurate!” Throw the mud back!


17 posted on 12/09/2024 7:25:53 PM PST by BigB60 (C. S. Lewis loves hobbits)
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To: BigB60

Post 17- amen


18 posted on 12/10/2024 4:55:38 AM PST by ptsal (Vote R.E.D. >>>Remove Every Democrat ***)
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