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Posted on 11/23/2024 10:18:52 AM PST by hardspunned
France declared Ukraine has the right to defend itself, including using French SCALP missiles, against Russia.
“There’s no red line,” said a French spokesperson, reinforcing support for Ukraine’s strikes on targets like the reported North Korean-command post in Russia's Kursk region.
The spokesperson highlighted France’s military aid and training efforts for Ukraine, emphasizing international law supports Kyiv’s self-defense.
Source: Ministry for Europe and Foreign Affairs
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“I do indeed believe it.”
LOL, it’s settled history. But feel free to keep making stuff up, it won’t change anything. Trump won, DEAL WITH IT.
oh yes, the ever changing map. pick a time and stick to it, kind of like a climate change graph, eh.
The French Scalp missiles are essentially the same item as the British Storm Shadows. They were co-developed by France and the UK, and I believe they are even presently made in the same factory in France.
How is this different than the May 2024 announcement? That allowed Ukraine to use Scalp missiles on targets within Russia, although targets were limited somewhat by US control of the GPS data.
“Yup—that is one issue for sure.
They are also totally unprepared for modern warfare.
Their populations are soft and spoiled.
Their infrastructures are easy to destroy and hard to protect.
The technology these days is insane—and frankly warfare is unthinkable.
It is pure madness.”
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Hitler’s real invasion of France is never far from the surface in France, and it’s often everywhere you look. Having been the victim of invasion and murder like Ukraine, I don’t think France would hold themselves back from the nuclear threshold as long as we would.
The targets allowed were always limited by US control of the GPS data. That data gets the missile close, then terrain navigation kicks in, and then image recognition of the target takes over toward the end. (Not new stuff, one of my lifelong best friends was working on improving the image processing tech when he worked for TI, over 40 years ago.)
We (USA) still control the GPS data needed to get close, so, on the surface, it would seem SCALPS are still limited to a small area around the Ukies’ Kursk bridgehead, or targets of the type hit prior to this month, despite the French spokesperson saying “no red lines”.
Unless...
We have opened up attacks by SCALP missiles to other areas. No such announcement has been made, and we pretty much always seem to announce these things.
OR
The French can fly ‘em all the way in without precise GPS data from the US, and have given that tech to the Ukies. This IS possible - I’d chatted with my old buddy a little while back, and he says that there is actually no reason why, if you have enough terrain info., the sensors, and enough memory and processing power, and good software, you cannot dispense with GPS entirely. This is not DARPA level stuff, in 2024.
OR
The Ukies have developed the tech. This seems doubtful, but they do have some good engineers, so, it’s not impossible. As I’ve said before, with time and access, ANYTHING can be hacked.
I would argue that it was more and more of the Ukrainian population moving to a more Western perspective, not to mention that they had two contrasting examples of alternate paths, Poland, and Belarus, next door to observe, that truly drove events. Pooty could not allow that, NATO or no NATO.
However, your layout of the details is correct. The UN observers’ (they weren’t really “peacekeepers”) reports at the time were interesting if not sometimes slightly appalling. Girkin is an interesting (if biased) read too. It’s also worthy of note that Donbass, for example, was sort of a patchwork of ethnic Russian and Ukrainian areas, towns and villages, with Russians in the majority.
Great stuff with the facts, but you’re flogging the dead horse of American exceptionalism aligning perfectly with a tailored Vranyo narrative.
The cognitive bias across the USA stems from the only time in its history that the Reds really threatened it on home turf - the Cuban Missile Crisis.
It’s why we get the guff about “what if the Soviets had put a base in Mexico”.
The proposal of a NATO base in Poland 18 years after the collapse of the USSR and Warsaw Pact was at a time when NATO was not remotely threatening Russia, and NATO was far more preoccupied with international Islamic terror than what was happening in Eurasia. The Cuba and Mexico examples are irrelevant and unrelatable fantasy what ifs that serve Putin without serving common sense.
A more realistic example would be, what if Russia put some nukes 200km from the US border with Alaska, and parked its subs off the Alaskan coast, after spending 25 years sabotaging the cyber security of the USA at every level from middle American police precincts to general hospitals.
Because Putin HAS done all that. And what’s the inspirational response to that from the mewling Putin fans here? It is STILL “Ignore it, because we mustn’t poke the bear.”
Poland and the Baltic countries, joined now by Finland and Sweden, are perfectly capable of seeing the nukes stationed in Kaliningrad and Belarus as Putin’s escalation and provocation. Which is why they’ve banded together, ramped up their defense spending, strengthened EU NATO, and are backing Ukraine.
President Trump should be using THAT as his equivalent, because he tried during his first term and the Vranyo bots didn’t get the memo.
So, here you are, the USA, despite already being under constant attack from Russia for as long as Putin’s been in power, totally ignoring president Trump directly calling Putin out when he was in office... then even more vociferously pretending it isn’t happening all the time Biden was treading on eggshells around Putin.
Eastern Europe has embarrassed western Europe into stepping up in ways that even President Trump couldn’t.
The Deep State, and the Putin regime, both have a vested interest in making this a forever war. The free peoples of the civilized world have a vested interest in bringing this lunacy to a conclusion.
The anti Zeepers are Useful Idiots, arguing in practice for the very thing they claim to oppose. Restoration of a new iron curtain, establishment of a new cold war, and intergenerational conflict between Europe, Eurasia, China and the USA with all the smaller countries expoited as bargaining chips by the superpowers.
Putin calls it multipolarism, but it is the Deep State WEF vision by any other name.
USA-FRANCE listed President Trump’s actions over Russia here.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4280374/posts#54
If you think President Trump’s soft enough to go along with your Vranyo inspired pro-multipolar “don’t poke the bear” appeasement strategy, knowing that only Putin’s Russia and the Davos technocrats benefit from it, then prepare to be disappointed.
Trump has VERY SMART people around him, who understand Ukraine PERFECTLY.
Ukraine will be toast, and not a day too soon.
Moreover, Yanukovych was not "the government", he was a traitorous President under Pooty's thumb -- in fact, even most of the pro-Yanukovych legislators stayed on and were part of the vote to certify that Yanukovych was formally removed from office. There was no dictator: New elections were scheduled and proceeded (with observers).
You boasted yourself, starting in 2022, about how, when Pooty had achieved his imminent victory, Ukraine would be left an insignificant, weak country. (I'm using nicer words than you did.) Well, of course. With most of it's most valuable resources stripped away, and for an indefinite future unable to pursue an independent course, it would be virtually impossible for Ukraine to prosper. No country could peacefully allow such a thing to happen. This argument that any chunk of a country that decides it wants to split off, willy nilly, should be able to, is flat out absurd, for that very sort of reason. Only a moron could honestly believe that.
Nor were ethnic Russians treated "like the Nazis treated Jews". Show us the ovens, gas chambers, or millions of innocent dead. Really, when was the last time millions died in Ukraine? Oh, yeah, the Holodomor... The legislative backlash passed shortly after Maidan was almost all quickly reversed, other than sensible measures such as establishing Ukrainian as the national language. No one forbade speaking Russian in most matters except gov't business, etc. - the same as if you go to City Hall in a US city for something -- you won't be able to do business speaking Russian, or even Spanish, without agreeing to a translator.
The annexed area IS NEVER, EVER BEING GOING TO BE PART OF UKRAINE AGAIN.
Well, that's an interesting boast, from both a short term and long term perspective. In the short term, Trump has said Putin's demands are unacceptable.
In the long term, Russia's history is one of periodic expansion and diminution: This is primarily due to its system of governance, which has fundamentally reverted back to tradition. Why would the historical pattern change?
The question is, does Trump or anyone around him understand the Ukrainian PEOPLE? If Z-man gives too much, he’ll get the boot, and even if the booters are only the nationalists (small “n”) on the right, say, about 20% of the population, the whole thing less the US is likely to descend into the most well funded, most massive guerilla war since Vietnam (and quite likely larger than ‘Nam.) The Brits, the French, the Poles, and the Italians would all be supportive, as well as most of the smaller Euro countries, and judging by the polling in Germany and the ruling coalition likely to take power, Germany too. Europe already has something like $80 billion committed to supporting Ukraine - most of it financial aid, but in the above scenario most of that money will have nowhere to go but weaponry. Think, lots and lots of smart semi-autonomous drones hitting refineries, and most any other target they can find...
It took Pooty two wars and several years to put down the Chechens, who had little external support and essentially no technology. Any guesses on this puppy?
YOUR more immediate problem is, Trump also has a good number of very smart people around him who understand Russia, and Trump has already said Putin’s demands are unacceptable.
For whatever reason, this thread reminded me I’ve been meaning to post the below. IMO, it is one of the greatest speeches ever. Our Pooty bots won’t like it much, especially toward the end:
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Remarks by President Trump to the People of Poland
Issued on: July 6, 2017
Krasiński Square
Warsaw, Poland
1:16 P.M. CEST
MRS. TRUMP: Hello, Poland! Thank you very much. My husband and I have enjoyed visiting your beautiful country. I want to thank President and Mrs. Duda for the warm welcome and their generous hospitality. I had the opportunity to visit the Copernicus Science Centre today, and found it not only informative but thoughtful, its mission, which is to inspire people to observe, experiment, ask questions, and seek answers.
I can think of no better purpose for such a wonderful science center. Thank you to all who were involved in giving us the tour, especially the children who made it such a wonderful experience.
As many of you know, a main focus of my husband’s presidency is safety and security of the American people. I think all of us can agree people should be able to live their lives without fear, no matter what country they live in. That is my wish for all of us around the world. (Applause.)
Thank you again for this wonderful welcome to your very special country. Your kindness and gracious hospitality will not be forgotten. (Applause.)
And now it is my honor to introduce to you my husband, the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump. (Applause.)
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PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you very much. That’s so nice. The United States has many great diplomats, but there is truly no better ambassador for our country than our beautiful First Lady, Melania. Thank you, Melania. That was very nice. (Applause.)
We’ve come to your nation to deliver a very important message: America loves Poland, and America loves the Polish people. (Applause.) Thank you.
The Poles have not only greatly enriched this region, but Polish-Americans have also greatly enriched the United States, and I was truly proud to have their support in the 2016 election. (Applause.)
It is a profound honor to stand in this city, by this monument to the Warsaw Uprising, and to address the Polish nation that so many generations have dreamed of: a Poland that is safe, strong, and free. (Applause.)
President Duda and your wonderful First Lady, Agata, have welcomed us with the tremendous warmth and kindness for which Poland is known around the world. Thank you. (Applause.) My sincere — and I mean sincerely thank both of them. And to Prime Minister Syzdlo, a very special thanks also. (Applause.)
We are also pleased that former President Lech Walesa, so famous for leading the Solidarity Movement, has joined us today, also. (Applause.) Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
On behalf of all Americans, let me also thank the entire Polish people for the generosity you have shown in welcoming our soldiers to your country. These soldiers are not only brave defenders of freedom, but also symbols of America’s commitment to your security and your place in a strong and democratic Europe.
We are proudly joined on stage by American, Polish, British, and Romanian soldiers. Thank you. (Applause.) Thank you. Great job.
President Duda and I have just come from an incredibly successful meeting with the leaders participating in the Three Seas Initiative. To the citizens of this great region, America is eager to expand our partnership with you. We welcome stronger ties of trade and commerce as you grow your economies. And we are committed to securing your access to alternate sources of energy, so Poland and its neighbors are never again held hostage to a single supplier of energy. (Applause.)
Mr. President, I congratulate you, along with the President of Croatia, on your leadership of this historic Three Seas Initiative. Thank you. (Applause.)
This is my first visit to Central Europe as President, and I am thrilled that it could be right here at this magnificent, beautiful piece of land. It is beautiful. (Applause.) Poland is the geographic heart of Europe, but more importantly, in the Polish people, we see the soul of Europe. Your nation is great because your spirit is great and your spirit is strong. (Applause.)
For two centuries, Poland suffered constant and brutal attacks. But while Poland could be invaded and occupied, and its borders even erased from the map, it could never be erased from history or from your hearts. In those dark days, you have lost your land but you never lost your pride. (Applause.)
So it is with true admiration that I can say today, that from the farms and villages of your countryside to the cathedrals and squares of your great cities, Poland lives, Poland prospers, and Poland prevails. (Applause.)
Despite every effort to transform you, oppress you, or destroy you, you endured and overcame. You are the proud nation of Copernicus — think of that — (applause) — Chopin, Saint John Paul II. Poland is a land of great heroes. (Applause.) And you are a people who know the true value of what you defend.
The triumph of the Polish spirit over centuries of hardship gives us all hope for a future in which good conquers evil, and peace achieves victory over war.
For Americans, Poland has been a symbol of hope since the beginning of our nation. Polish heroes and American patriots fought side by side in our War of Independence and in many wars that followed. Our soldiers still serve together today in Afghanistan and Iraq, combatting the enemies of all civilization.
For America’s part, we have never given up on freedom and independence as the right and destiny of the Polish people, and we never, ever will. (Applause.)
Our two countries share a special bond forged by unique histories and national characters. It’s a fellowship that exists only among people who have fought and bled and died for freedom. (Applause.)
The signs of this friendship stand in our nation’s capital. Just steps from the White House, we’ve raised statues of men with names like Pułaski and Kościuszko. (Applause.) The same is true in Warsaw, where street signs carry the name of George Washington, and a monument stands to one of the world’s greatest heroes, Ronald Reagan. (Applause.)
And so I am here today not just to visit an old ally, but to hold it up as an example for others who seek freedom and who wish to summon the courage and the will to defend our civilization. (Applause.) The story of Poland is the story of a people who have never lost hope, who have never been broken, and who have never, ever forgotten who they are. (Applause)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Such a great honor. This is a nation more than one thousand years old. Your borders were erased for more than a century and only restored just one century ago.
In 1920, in the Miracle of Vistula, Poland stopped the Soviet army bent on European conquest. (Applause.) Then, 19 years later in 1939, you were invaded yet again, this time by Nazi Germany from the west and the Soviet Union from the east. That’s trouble. That’s tough.
Under a double occupation the Polish people endured evils beyond description: the Katyn forest massacre, the occupations, the Holocaust, the Warsaw Ghetto and the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, the destruction of this beautiful capital city, and the deaths of nearly one in five Polish people. A vibrant Jewish population — the largest in Europe — was reduced to almost nothing after the Nazis systematically murdered millions of Poland’s Jewish citizens, along with countless others, during that brutal occupation.
In the summer of 1944, the Nazi and Soviet armies were preparing for a terrible and bloody battle right here in Warsaw. Amid that hell on earth, the citizens of Poland rose up to defend their homeland. I am deeply honored to be joined on stage today by veterans and heroes of the Warsaw Uprising. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: (Chanting.)
PRESIDENT TRUMP: What great spirit. We salute your noble sacrifice and we pledge to always remember your fight for Poland and for freedom. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause.)
This monument reminds us that more than 150,000 Poles died during that desperate struggle to overthrow oppression.
From the other side of the river, the Soviet armed forces stopped and waited. They watched as the Nazis ruthlessly destroyed the city, viciously murdering men, women, and children. They tried to destroy this nation forever by shattering its will to survive.
But there is a courage and a strength deep in the Polish character that no one could destroy. The Polish martyr, Bishop Michael Kozal, said it well: “More horrifying than a defeat of arms is a collapse of the human spirit.”
Through four decades of communist rule, Poland and the other captive nations of Europe endured a brutal campaign to demolish freedom, your faith, your laws, your history, your identity — indeed the very essence of your culture and your humanity. Yet, through it all, you never lost that spirit. (Applause.) Your oppressors tried to break you, but Poland could not be broken. (Applause.)
And when the day came on June 2nd, 1979, and one million Poles gathered around Victory Square for their very first mass with their Polish Pope, that day, every communist in Warsaw must have known that their oppressive system would soon come crashing down. (Applause.) They must have known it at the exact moment during Pope John Paul II’s sermon when a million Polish men, women, and children suddenly raised their voices in a single prayer. A million Polish people did not ask for wealth. They did not ask for privilege. Instead, one million Poles sang three simple words: “We Want God.” (Applause.)
In those words, the Polish people recalled the promise of a better future. They found new courage to face down their oppressors, and they found the words to declare that Poland would be Poland once again.
As I stand here today before this incredible crowd, this faithful nation, we can still hear those voices that echo through history. Their message is as true today as ever. The people of Poland, the people of America, and the people of Europe still cry out “We want God.” (Applause.)
Together, with Pope John Paul II, the Poles reasserted their identity as a nation devoted to God. And with that powerful declaration of who you are, you came to understand what to do and how to live. You stood in solidarity against oppression, against a lawless secret police, against a cruel and wicked system that impoverished your cities and your souls. And you won. Poland prevailed. Poland will always prevail. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you. You were supported in that victory over communism by a strong alliance of free nations in the West that defied tyranny. Now, among the most committed members of the NATO Alliance, Poland has resumed its place as a leading nation of a Europe that is strong, whole, and free.
A strong Poland is a blessing to the nations of Europe, and they know that. A strong Europe is a blessing to the West and to the world. (Applause.) One hundred years after the entry of American forces into World War I, the transatlantic bond between the United States and Europe is as strong as ever and maybe, in many ways, even stronger.
This continent no longer confronts the specter of communism. But today we’re in the West, and we have to say there are dire threats to our security and to our way of life. You see what’s happening out there. They are threats. We will confront them. We will win. But they are threats. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are confronted by another oppressive ideology — one that seeks to export terrorism and extremism all around the globe. America and Europe have suffered one terror attack after another. We’re going to get it to stop. (Applause.)
During a historic gathering in Saudi Arabia, I called on the leaders of more than 50 Muslim nations to join together to drive out this menace which threatens all of humanity. We must stand united against these shared enemies to strip them of their territory and their funding, and their networks, and any form of ideological support that they may have. While we will always welcome new citizens who share our values and love our people, our borders will always be closed to terrorism and extremism of any kind. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: We are fighting hard against radical Islamic terrorism, and we will prevail. We cannot accept those who reject our values and who use hatred to justify violence against the innocent.
Today, the West is also confronted by the powers that seek to test our will, undermine our confidence, and challenge our interests. To meet new forms of aggression, including propaganda, financial crimes, and cyberwarfare, we must adapt our alliance to compete effectively in new ways and on all new battlefields.
We urge Russia to cease its destabilizing activities in Ukraine and elsewhere, and its support for hostile regimes — including Syria and Iran — and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and in defense of civilization itself. (Applause.)
Finally, on both sides of the Atlantic, our citizens are confronted by yet another danger — one firmly within our control. This danger is invisible to some but familiar to the Poles: the steady creep of government bureaucracy that drains the vitality and wealth of the people. The West became great not because of paperwork and regulations but because people were allowed to chase their dreams and pursue their destinies.
Americans, Poles, and the nations of Europe value individual freedom and sovereignty. We must work together to confront forces, whether they come from inside or out, from the South or the East, that threaten over time to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith and tradition that make us who we are. (Applause.) If left unchecked, these forces will undermine our courage, sap our spirit, and weaken our will to defend ourselves and our societies.
But just as our adversaries and enemies of the past learned here in Poland, we know that these forces, too, are doomed to fail if we want them to fail. And we do, indeed, want them to fail. (Applause.) They are doomed not only because our alliance is strong, our countries are resilient, and our power is unmatched. Through all of that, you have to say everything is true. Our adversaries, however, are doomed because we will never forget who we are. And if we don’t forget who are, we just can’t be beaten. Americans will never forget. The nations of Europe will never forget. We are the fastest and the greatest community. There is nothing like our community of nations. The world has never known anything like our community of nations.
We write symphonies. We pursue innovation. We celebrate our ancient heroes, embrace our timeless traditions and customs, and always seek to explore and discover brand-new frontiers.
We reward brilliance. We strive for excellence, and cherish inspiring works of art that honor God. We treasure the rule of law and protect the right to free speech and free expression. (Applause.)
We empower women as pillars of our society and of our success. We put faith and family, not government and bureaucracy, at the center of our lives. And we debate everything. We challenge everything. We seek to know everything so that we can better know ourselves. (Applause.)
And above all, we value the dignity of every human life, protect the rights of every person, and share the hope of every soul to live in freedom. That is who we are. Those are the priceless ties that bind us together as nations, as allies, and as a civilization.
What we have, what we inherited from our — and you know this better than anybody, and you see it today with this incredible group of people — what we’ve inherited from our ancestors has never existed to this extent before. And if we fail to preserve it, it will never, ever exist again. So we cannot fail.
This great community of nations has something else in common: In every one of them, it is the people, not the powerful, who have always formed the foundation of freedom and the cornerstone of our defense. The people have been that foundation here in Poland — as they were right here in Warsaw — and they were the foundation from the very, very beginning in America.
Our citizens did not win freedom together, did not survive horrors together, did not face down evil together, only to lose our freedom to a lack of pride and confidence in our values. We did not and we will not. We will never back down. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: As long as we know our history, we will know how to build our future. Americans know that a strong alliance of free, sovereign and independent nations is the best defense for our freedoms and for our interests. That is why my administration has demanded that all members of NATO finally meet their full and fair financial obligation.
As a result of this insistence, billions of dollars more have begun to pour into NATO. In fact, people are shocked. But billions and billions of dollars more are coming in from countries that, in my opinion, would not have been paying so quickly.
To those who would criticize our tough stance, I would point out that the United States has demonstrated not merely with words but with its actions that we stand firmly behind Article 5, the mutual defense commitment. (Applause.)
Words are easy, but actions are what matters. And for its own protection — and you know this, everybody knows this, everybody has to know this — Europe must do more. Europe must demonstrate that it believes in its future by investing its money to secure that future.
That is why we applaud Poland for its decision to move forward this week on acquiring from the United States the battle-tested Patriot air and missile defense system — the best anywhere in the world. (Applause.) That is also why we salute the Polish people for being one of the NATO countries that has actually achieved the benchmark for investment in our common defense. Thank you. Thank you, Poland. I must tell you, the example you set is truly magnificent, and we applaud Poland. Thank you. (Applause.)
We have to remember that our defense is not just a commitment of money, it is a commitment of will. Because as the Polish experience reminds us, the defense of the West ultimately rests not only on means but also on the will of its people to prevail and be successful and get what you have to have. The fundamental question of our time is whether the West has the will to survive. Do we have the confidence in our values to defend them at any cost? Do we have enough respect for our citizens to protect our borders? Do we have the desire and the courage to preserve our civilization in the face of those who would subvert and destroy it? (Applause.)
We can have the largest economies and the most lethal weapons anywhere on Earth, but if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive. (Applause.) If anyone forgets the critical importance of these things, let them come to one country that never has. Let them come to Poland. (Applause.) And let them come here, to Warsaw, and learn the story of the Warsaw Uprising.
When they do, they should learn about Jerusalem Avenue. In August of 1944, Jerusalem Avenue was one of the main roads running east and west through this city, just as it is today.
Control of that road was crucially important to both sides in the battle for Warsaw. The German military wanted it as their most direct route to move troops and to form a very strong front. And for the Polish Home Army, the ability to pass north and south across that street was critical to keep the center of the city, and the Uprising itself, from being split apart and destroyed.
Every night, the Poles put up sandbags amid machine gun fire — and it was horrendous fire — to protect a narrow passage across Jerusalem Avenue. Every day, the enemy forces knocked them down again and again and again. Then the Poles dug a trench. Finally, they built a barricade. And the brave Polish fighters began to flow across Jerusalem Avenue. That narrow passageway, just a few feet wide, was the fragile link that kept the Uprising alive.
Between its walls, a constant stream of citizens and freedom fighters made their perilous, just perilous, sprints. They ran across that street, they ran through that street, they ran under that street — all to defend this city. “The far side was several yards away,” recalled one young Polish woman named Greta. That mortality and that life was so important to her. In fact, she said, “The mortally dangerous sector of the street was soaked in the blood. It was the blood of messengers, liaison girls, and couriers.”
Nazi snipers shot at anybody who crossed. Anybody who crossed, they were being shot at. Their soldiers burned every building on the street, and they used the Poles as human shields for their tanks in their effort to capture Jerusalem Avenue. The enemy never ceased its relentless assault on that small outpost of civilization. And the Poles never ceased its defense.
The Jerusalem Avenue passage required constant protection, repair, and reinforcement, but the will of its defenders did not waver, even in the face of death. And to the last days of the Uprising, the fragile crossing never, ever failed. It was never, ever forgotten. It was kept open by the Polish people.
The memories of those who perished in the Warsaw Uprising cry out across the decades, and few are clearer than the memories of those who died to build and defend the Jerusalem Avenue crossing. Those heroes remind us that the West was saved with the blood of patriots; that each generation must rise up and play their part in its defense — (applause) — and that every foot of ground, and every last inch of civilization, is worth defending with your life.
Our own fight for the West does not begin on the battlefield — it begins with our minds, our wills, and our souls. Today, the ties that unite our civilization are no less vital, and demand no less defense, than that bare shred of land on which the hope of Poland once totally rested. Our freedom, our civilization, and our survival depend on these bonds of history, culture, and memory.
And today as ever, Poland is in our heart, and its people are in that fight. (Applause.) Just as Poland could not be broken, I declare today for the world to hear that the West will never, ever be broken. Our values will prevail. Our people will thrive. And our civilization will triumph. (Applause.)
AUDIENCE: Donald Trump! Donald Trump! Donald Trump!
PRESIDENT TRUMP: Thank you. So, together, let us all fight like the Poles — for family, for freedom, for country, and for God.
Thank you. God Bless You. God bless the Polish people. God bless our allies. And God bless the United States of America.
Thank you. God bless you. Thank you very much. (Applause.)
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1:55 P.M. CEST
The White House
You guys are DREAMING if you really think Trump will continue funding Victoria Nuland’s Revenge War (which is very-well understood by most of his closest people). In fact, you guys will be lucky if Trump doesn’t completely pull out of NATO, given the crap he’s already had to deal with regarding Ukraine (I know, Ukraine had nothing to do with Trump’s first impeachment - nice try!).
As to an insurgency after the US is out of NATO (and Europe), that will really be up to Pooty, and when he’s tired of it, the insurgency will end, likely along with the countries behind it.
President Trump may well pull out of NATO, turning it in effect into EU-NATO. But, if he does, it’ll be leaving the European continent far better off, finally paying its fair share for collective defense.
What you haven’t realised that doing so would kill Putin’s biggest fake causus belli, stone cold dead.
Putin’s BS about the USA setting the terms for NATO membership, and the Nuland and co fiction, will become irrelevant, if President Trump pulls out. Because the US will be out of the picture.
Let’s see if that ends Putin’s TV trolls’ speculation on how many American cities they should be wiping off the map while the leadership avoid such histrionics. Sportsman’s bet: it won’t, because Putin needs his people to believe in the boogeyman.
Let’s see, also, if Putin suddenly notices that Turkey was the country that flooded Ukraine with drones, allowing it to give the Russian invaders a seriously bloody nose. Is Putin ever going to have the bottle to threaten Orban for supporting Ukraine in the same way he keeps threatening the leaders of France, Germany and the UK? Sportsman’s bet - no, because Putin is a germophobic thug bunker coward who won’t ever pick a direct fight with anyone he knows could actually fight back.
If the USA walks and Ukraine is compelled to agree to neutrality in subsequent peace talks, here’s my prediction: Belarus will pull out of the integration with Russia, join with Ukraine, and declare neutrality. And, not long after that, CSTO will collapse, leaving Muscovy totally reliant on just five allies... China, Chechnya, Syria, Iran and North Korea.
Why?
Lukashenko’s current position on Putin’s merger proposition is, “any movement of the body of any politician in this direction will be demolished by the Belarusian people”. He is articulating the exact same position as Ukraine did in 2013. He still maintains the pretence of being on Russia’s side, and even talks a good game, but he still hasn’t OK’d a single incursion into Ukraine on Putin’s behalf and every time he’s asked, he conveniently apologises for his troops being otherwise occupied on more important things like watching the Polish border.
According to Putin’s own logic, Russia putting its nukes in Belarus and Kaliningrad (both mere miles from NATO’s eastern border) was a far more provocative move than NATO putting a defense base in Poland. Lukashenko knows that if NATO really was going to be triggered by a move like that, it would’ve been triggered ages ago. But, actually launching those missiles, from Belarus, would be a game changer. Belarus can’t afford the massive target that Putin’s painted onto his own back.
Without the USA in the frame, Belarus can declare neutrality and Putin won’t be able to argue against it.
And it’s not just Belarus that’s thinking Muscovy’s obsession with restoring the Tsarist glory days has turned into a massive liability for the whole region - Putin’s being watched by Georgia, Khazakstan, Tajikistan, Armena, Azerbaijan and others, and they are ALL getting antsy about the increasingly unhinged Putin’s moves toward gangster totalitarianism.
Of course, you probably can’t see that. All you see is what you want to see - if the bilge you believe in comes is filtered by St Petersburg, you’ll buy it without question, and this is something Muscovy really, really doesn’t want you to know about.
You’re delusional if you truly believe we haven’t meddled into the affairs of Ukraine since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Ukraine and their corrupt Government was overthrown with great US influence. Then our defense and State Dept pushed and pushed and pushed the envelope by militarily funding their Government and placing military assets on Russia’s doorstep. That’d be akin to Russia allying with Mexico and doing the same. I’d expect the US to foster the exact same response. We have no business over there at all. You’d think after decades of failed policy we’d get it. But obviously if the public is for meddling as is evident in your post and praying for global war we’ll never learn
So, you say Trump was lying. Fine.
Superficial data.
It is the fundamental shift of the Ukrainians that drove events.
Again, Yanukovych was not “Ukraine’s gov’t.” Nice of you to confirm that he needed to go, though.
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