Trump-Harris presidential debate live updates: Trump supporters rage at ABC moderators after multiple fact checks of ex-prez, zero for Kamala — ‘Three on one’

https://nypost.com ^ | 9/10/2024 | Samuel Chamberlain, Aneeta Bhole, Josh Christenson, Caitlin Doornbos, Diana Glebova, Ryan King, Vict

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PHILADELPHIA -- Republicans were furious at performance of ABC News moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis.

[DoughtyOne]

On their banner tonight, FoxNews had Democracy 2024. They
even buy into the democrat’s propaganda. It’s disturbing.

[Romulus]

This may shock you. A protest for conservative government.

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks, hadn’t heard that yet.

[Gene Eric]

Such governance is no less than decades away. But you already knew that.

[Rocco DiPippo]

Why do anyone besides leftist filth agree to “debate” on the State-run media? I’ll never figure that one out. It’s like walking into a biker bar with a “F*ck Harley Davidson” tattoo across one’s face.

[ridesthemiles]

I will NEVER watch DAVID MUIR AGAIN

[EBH]

You can believe that all you want. He doesn’t need to convince the choir, he needed to sway voters of undecided. From what I am seeing on social media is many are giddy that Trump was caught in ‘fact check hell.’

The problem is the psychologically when the average person hears ...fact check... they automatically believe what the person says is fact, is actually true and correct. When very few will check the ‘fact check’ and research it. It is a massively effective propaganda tool.

Did Trump win the debate? No, not if he didn’t win any more voters. Everyone is trapped in the propaganda bubble.

Facts have become tools of deceit. See: paltering

[Phoenix8]

You are both missing the main point I made.

TRUMP did not say 2 states allowed , by law, abortions after birth.

Show me the transcripts or videos where he did in the senate or drop it.

[Phoenix8]

Senate=debate

[rarestia]

I didn’t watch the debate. I can’t. The lying and hypocrisy is overwhelming. I appreciate the pollyannish views of many FReepers, they give me hope, but hope isn’t a strategy.

This is a war. There are no Geneva conventions in this war. The psyops are turned up so high the knob broke off. Unfortunately the majority of Americans (>50%) are ill informed, low information voters who get their news from sources that are going to paint this usurper as presidential and approachable when all indications are to the contrary.

I firmly believe we are headed for a time of great tribulation. Trump will win the popular vote and the electoral college, but the Dems know full well that they can cheat not just a little but so much that it’s obvious to anyone with an IQ over room temperature. The cheat will come after hours. States like Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan will delay their results if not by hours, by days. We will be glued to our TVs and mobile devices for the entire week waiting to hear who won wear, and the longer it takes, the more likely it will be that Trump “lost.”

The blue-balling, breathtaking media will hold this country hostage for days with the hope that someone does something “stupid” or extreme after they announce her coronation. I don’t believe we’re voting our way out of this, and her first term will be dedicated to ensuring that we never do again.

[Phoenix8]

And Trump oddly was not on the attack enough. To defensive.

As Ben Shapiro said Trump should have been hammering her on every point she made that she has had 4 years to fix things and they have actually gotten worse.

He did it, but not nearly enough.

[dfwgator]

"Right now, there is a whole, an entire generation that never knew anything that didn't come out of this tube. This tube is the gospel, the ultimate revelation; this tube can make or break presidents, popes, prime ministers; this tube is the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, and woe is us if it ever falls into the hands of the wrong people.........And when the 12th largest company in the world controls the most awesome goddamn propaganda force in the whole godless world, who knows what shit will be peddled for truth on this network?"

[MortMan]

It was also an “appeal to authority” logical fallacy, was obviously preplanned (else why would the moderator’s staff call the city manager’s office), and was used to shield Kamala from having to answer the contemporary accounts from today’s news. In addition to it being factually incorrect.

[Chicory]

From the article: the child to a “soiled utility room” where it would be left to die.

I learned in history that the Roman’s practiced infanticide... by leaving babies in their trash dumps to die.

[Vaduz]

It was fun to see Trump to knock Harris out of the saddle and leave her for buzzard food every round.

[Dr. Sivana]

I was not addressing anything Trump said. I did not see the debate. I was just reiterating the fact that the law has allowed babies to die after failed abortions.

Here is the case that brought it to attention:
https://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2008/10/282/

A few years ago, after it became clear that some infants who were born alive in the course of an attempted induced abortion at Christ Hospital in Chicago and elsewhere were being left to die without even comfort care, Republicans and Democrats around the country united in an effort to make the practice illegal and declare that any child outside the womb, even if she was an abortion survivor whose prospects for long-term survival might be in doubt, was entitled to basic medical care. Even the most ardent advocates of the pro-choice position agreed that a child born alive, even after an attempted abortion, deserves humane treatment.

The tragic stories of infants being left to die moved legislators to act at both the state and federal levels. In Washington, D.C., consensus can be a rare commodity, and never more so than on the issue of abortion. But the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act of 2002 was just such a rarity. The bill passed both houses of Congress without a single dissenting vote-it was 98-0 in the Senate-and numerous states then proceeded to enact similar measures. In Illinois, however, a series of efforts to pass “Born-Alive” legislation from 2001 to 2003 met with stiff resistance from legislators concerned the measure would constrain the right to abortion in the state. Prominent among these opponents, and the only one to actually speak in opposition to the bill when it was debated in 2002, was state Senator Barack Obama.

Gianna Jessen, another adult survivor of abortion, also testified to the House Judiciary Committee in 2015, stating, “I was delivered alive in an abortion clinic in Los Angeles on April the 6th, 1977. My medical records state: ‘Born alive during saline abortion’ at 6 am. Thankfully, the abortionist was not at work yet. Had he been there, he would have ended my life with strangulation, suffocation, or leaving me there to die.”

There is a lot more, but I have to go to work. Google doesn't cough up results willingly, but you can coax it with work. The fact is, these abortionists who either abandon the child to suffocate or outright strangle the child never get in any trouble, except occasionally when sanitary conditions are overwhelming or if mothers' deaths come to attention. (Kermit Gosnell)

[rodguy911]

It was Trump's job to have a conversation with the viewers.(actually it was his job to win the debate) He failed. He looked at it like he as being attacked and had to defend himself.(he fell into trap after trap for sure) And it showed.

Last night Harris played a different game. One that Trump seldom plays. It pays to look at how Harris got to the top of the food chain politically.

Basically,she slept her way to the top.

In the debate was she going to go up against Trump on the economy,Crude oil production,the border with drugs crossing criminals crossing 350k kids lost,the budget,inflation? Not likely. She would fail going up against Trump in any of these issues and she knew it.

The only issue they had was abortion and she played that one like a fiddle eating Trumps lunch.Actually, it's hard for men to go up against women on the abortion issue, difficult to win that one. But, once again it's the only issue they have.

So how did she do so well at the debate? She scored by playing to her one strength. The one that got her here. She keeps sleeping her way to the top. This time using different emotional tactics,and it apparently worked.

Every answer she gave was either full of lies or distortions but were loaded with emotions. All geared to her best possible market of potential undecideds: Women.

Did she turn a few men? Maybe. but the whole game was:

to turn as many women as possible her way using what some women know best:

EMOTIONS!!

It's what got her vying for the top to begin with and what she knows best. Last night it worked. She had very little knowledge of politics but a vast array of emotional bull shit and it worked.

But will it last,that's the bigger question.

[wardaddy]

It means that poster thinks a lot of himself

Which is ok

When western civ is at stake I can postpone making a point
I’m sure u can too

[rodguy911]

Actually killing babies is big business for the abortion mills especially Planned Parenthood. When a baby that is fully formed is killed there they immediately start thinking on what body parts they can sell quickly. Evidently, there is big bucks in selling the parts of dead babies.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/08/us-news/undercover-video-allegedly-shows-planned-parenthood-scandal/

Planned Parenthood execs allegedly caught discussing sale of fetus body parts in shocking undercover video

From the link:

A pro-life activist investigated for criminal activity by then-California Attorney General Kamala Harris in 2015 released undercover footage Tuesday showing Planned Parenthood executives apparently discussing the sale of body parts from late-term fetuses, some of which had been delivered alive and mostly intact.

David Daleiden of the Center for Medical Progress (CMP), who posed with a colleague as laboratory wholesalers at the National Abortion Federation’s commercial trade show in 2015, videotaped two conversations with Dr. Ann Schutt-Ainé, the chief medical officer of Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast, and Tram Nguyen, RN, the branch’s vice president of abortion access.

While the CMP has always contended that Daleiden’s videos revealed illegalities, Planned Parenthood said at the time the initial videos were released that their staffers were discussing legal, not-for-profit donation of fetal tissue to research firms.

But Daleiden claims these newly released videos show even more demonstratively that Planned Parenthood’s talking points at the time were false — and that staff was engaged in wrongdoing.

“Schutt-Ainé and Nguyen described dismembering the fetuses after delivery to get around possible violations of the federal partial-birth abortion law,” Daleiden, who calls himself a citizen journalist, told The Post.

[Phoenix8]

That law quoted had a lot mixed with legal “mumbo jumbo” legalize. Only “viable” infants had to be protected I think it said.

No state that I know of has a law that says all infants can be killed after birth.

Trump never said that but the biased moderator made it out to sound like that was what Trump was saying. Which is exactly why she “fact checked” him. Which was a law and a thinly veiled attack on Trump.