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After that point, Ukraine is simply losing more over time and has no real chance to turn anything around. So it would make sense to end it in order to minimize the loss. If you can’t maximize wins, at least minimize the losses. But we kept this war going.

Ukraine's only chance long term (or short term originally) is to put up enough resistance to where Russia decides the fight isn't worth it.

And why would Ukraine give up? If some Communist country invaded us and actually could manage to eventually win, you wouldn't fight to the death to keep your freedoms? Didn't Patrick Henry say something about forgetting such people were ever our countrymen?

Ukraine isn’t a democracy, doesn’t have a good human rights record, is corrupt, socialist just like Russia, and not sovereign.

The ethnic Russians in what today is Ukraine but at various times was part of Russia, hardly equate this to some Patric Henry quote.

Finally, if you start a war and then lose, should I feel sorry for you? This started a war: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-holding-talks-with-biden-adviser-says-2021-12-09/

Socialism: a political and economic system in which property and the means of production are owned in common, typically controlled by the state or government. Socialism is based on the idea that common or public ownership of resources and means of production leads to a more equal society.

Source: https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/socialism/

US share of GDP that is government: 38.5%

Russian share of GDP that is government: 36.559%

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_government_spending_as_percentage_of_GDP

I get it, home of the free and brave, and lots of talk about democracy...

Meanwhile, a handful of people will decide who our next president will be, a government bureaucracy what light bulb you use and how much water per flush your toilet uses. You have vaccine “mandates,” mass censorship and government will use eminent domain to seize private property and give it to for profit corporations. You have ZERO government accountability and little transparency (everything is classified today). You have kangaroo courts (FISA), and no privacy. You live in a country where the government more or less decides what car you drive, what your kids eat in school, and gets to close churches when they feel like it (done during Covid).

Yeah yeah, home of the free and brave.

What country do you live in?!?!

Our “democracy” is a farce.

Farce meaning https://g.co/kgs/WKuG1Qa

You basically have a handful of folks decide who you get to vote for (who gets on the ticket) and how you should think about them (control over MSM and big tech as well as mass censorship today).

And, if the people dare question it, they are labeled insurrectionists and sent off to prison: https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-capitol-rioters-jailed-sentences-january-6-1826075

That was a Stalin like purge, minus the bullet to the head. At least we go through the motions of being a republic with a rule of law.

All true potential problems were eliminated using the “state organs” of intelligence, law enforcement, and judiciary. In one swoop, the government eliminated the leadership of the Proud Boys, Oath Takers and one other group. They intimidated their followers by interviewing them even if they broke no laws (unprecedented). Discredited them in the media and drew attention away from what were essentially questionable elections at best.