Posted on 08/22/2024 11:51:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625
MEMORANDUM AND ORDER
This matter is before the court on Defendant’s motion to dismiss based on Second Amendment grounds. (Doc. 26.) A response and a reply have been filed (Docs. 28, 29), and the court held a hearing to establish additional facts about the weapons charged. The motion is thus ripe for review. The court finds that the Second Amendment applies to the weapons charged because they are “bearable arms” within the original meaning of the amendment. The court further finds that the government has failed to establish that this nation’s history of gun regulation justifies the application of 18 U.S.C. § 922(o) to Defendant. The court therefore grants the motion to dismiss.
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One of the more amazing pieces of forgotten trivia is that back in the day, a semi auto Colt AR-15 SP1 cost about $150 MORE (about 25% back then) than the Full Auto capable version.
Both were sold side by side on gun store racks.
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Looks like a huge decision. Let’s see how this moves up the judicial ladder.
Thanks for the ping.
I guess I had forgotten that you could get certain parts. I tend to use the heavy M-16 bolts just so they would be compatible in that SHTF case. I thought there was some modification to the lower receiver required as well, to allow the select fire choice. Yes? No?
Yup me too, certain weapons like squad auto m-2.
Your 240 rounds go awfully fast on full auto, unless you are in a movie
Thats for a "fake" West Hurley Thompson. Originals 50k and up today.
Yep.....Hell, take Chapter 4 of the GCA of 68 out and watch heads explode.
“...keep and bear ARMS” I think I remember it saying. That covers everything from Swiss Army knives to nuclear bombs. Price will limit the possession of more powerful “arms.” Of course Bezos might just buy himself a thermonuclear bomb but then what is he going to do with it?
Oh, nose! The wild west is coming! Haaaaalp!D
The GCA in it’s entirety needs to go as well.
There are many ways to spell “infringement” that they have tried to weld on to the USC in the last Century.
All of it needs to go.
There were Volley Guns or multi-shot, multi-barreled weapons from before Napoleonic war times that fired multiple shots with a single trigger pull, so the BATF folks may have to do some tap dancing.
The idea of running skeet with an AA-12 puts a smile on my goofy looking face...
Okay, but that doesn’t negate the 1986 automatic weapons ban or the 1934 NFA. It just confirms that they are covered by the 2nd Amendment.
Because the Supreme Court fails to rule what plain language in the 2nd means. Shall make no law seems to not mean that at all.
Would apply to smgs That would be my first choice for home defense (if you don’t mind a few extra holes in your walls)
Count on it being appealed. But it doesn’t negate the 1986 new machine gun ban or the 1934 NFA. And unless you have $25,000 (at least) laying around for a transferable FA firearm.....
ATF bait.
You own the parts AND possess an AR receiver - you’re toast.
ATF bait.
You own the parts AND possess an AR receiver - you’re toast.
When I went through Basic Training (nearly 70 years ago)we still fired the Thompson, but the $2.95 grease gun worked well enough to replace it generally.
The trouble with full auto is ammo supply, unlike TV shows and movies the guys running full auto don't actually have a couple hundred mags in their back pocket.
Interestingly the Military full auto AR's only fire in burst of three. I read that repeating rifles were rejected by the military for the revolutionary war because they feared the troops would waste all their ammo.
If you possess both the AR and the trigger kit, I think BATF can cause you legal problems.
The case launching the NFA never made sense. They ruled a sawed off shotgun was not a useful militia weapon. Even though it has a long history throughout our nation’s history for military use.
And the NFA itself basically banned (heavily restricted) machine guns, silencers, short barrel rifles, destructive devices like grenades etc... even though though those are ALL militia weapons.
And then in 68, Dodd imported the 1938 Nazi gun law wholesale, almost verbatim in many passages. This included the famed “sporting purpose” clause. He had been a lawyer ant Nuremburg.
Jews for the Preservation Firearms Ownership sells a book proving it beyond any doubt.
https://store.jpfo.org/products/gun-control-gateway-to-tyranny
Side by side, the 1938 German law, and the 1968 gun law. It’s shocking.
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