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Atheist who set out to prove the Shroud of Turin was fake reveals why he's now 'convinced' it's the cloth Jesus was buried in
Daily Mail UK ^ | 8-20-2024 | Stacy Liberatore

Posted on 08/21/2024 5:38:05 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton

Filmmaker David Rolfe was a self-professed atheist when he set out to make a documentary about one of the most revered religious artifacts in history - the Shroud of Turin.

With the 1978 movie, the photography expert set out to find a prosaic explanation as to how a blood-soaked imprint of a man matching Jesus Christ's description manifested onto the cloth relic.

Instead, he was so convinced of its authenticity he converted to Christianity

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: blitz; jesus; shroudofturin
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Very interesting. I love reading about conversions that take place during the process of trying to disprove what happened to Jesus. Is the cloth authentic? I don't know. What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake.
1 posted on 08/21/2024 5:38:05 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton
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To: Gary from Dayton

No one on earth can prove it covered Jesus. Geez....give it up...


2 posted on 08/21/2024 5:42:01 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: Sacajaweau

More importantly, no one can prove that iy didn’t.


3 posted on 08/21/2024 5:44:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Gary from Dayton
Interesting story. Artifacts of Jesus's should be around today. Lots of things from that time period are.

As to the canard that Jesus was a myth, well, there is far better documentation of His life and actions than even that of Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, who was Roman Emperor at the time of the crucifixion.

Go into a Classics department at a university and claim that Tiberius was a myth. See what happens.

But if you go into a Religious Studies department and say Jesus was a myth, they will make you the chairman.

4 posted on 08/21/2024 6:02:32 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Mr. Lucky

I don’t agree that it works both ways. Some technique may categorically prove it’s fake in the future, but no method will categorically prove it’s real.


5 posted on 08/21/2024 6:05:13 AM PDT by MTsumi
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To: Mr. Lucky
"More importantly, no one can prove that iy didn’t."

No! Historical documentation of the shroud goes back to 1354. The burden of proof is on those who claim the shroud goes back to the burial of Christ.

6 posted on 08/21/2024 6:05:15 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Gary from Dayton

I agree. I have read extensively about the shroud. If it is a fake it is a very good one! Linen fabric trim 2,000 years ago with mid Eastern pollen and seeds. Anatomically correct signs of crucifixion such as thumbs pulling into medial position of hands. . An interesting fact is there are no written descriptions of a crucifixion in ancient literature. What we know is from modern studies using cadavers. Is the shroud real? I don’t know but it is intriguing.


7 posted on 08/21/2024 6:07:48 AM PDT by carcraft (Pray for our Country)
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To: Sacajaweau

“No one on earth can prove it covered Jesus. Geez....give it up..”

I am more interested in the fact that they CANNOT prove that it is fake.

The shroud itself doesn’t mean anything to me.


8 posted on 08/21/2024 6:12:37 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton (Army Vet 1986-1991 unburdened by what was burdening before )
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To: carcraft

The fact that even with today’s technology, a shroud cloth with a 3D negative image has never been created.


9 posted on 08/21/2024 6:14:01 AM PDT by newfreep ("There is no race problem...just a problem race")
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To: Sacajaweau

Consilience.

It’s a powerful thing.

When present, arguments to the contrary have a habit of falling away.


10 posted on 08/21/2024 6:17:04 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: Gary from Dayton

I believe the show about the shroud that I saw on the boob tube about 25 years ago. I’ll never forget it. A couple of experts decided that some guys back in the middle ages decided to prove how easy it was to make a shroud with just a piece of the same kind of cloth and a pizza oven. They tried the same thing. They heated a pizza oven to 375 F, put the cloth over a bust of a Roman guy and let it cook until the parts of the shroud touching the bust turned a golden brown. It was a weird show. Something like you might see on the Kamalala Harris “Joy” Hour.


11 posted on 08/21/2024 6:17:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The Banana Voo Doo Queen is putting illegal scumbags on a Free Ride on the American Dream Express.)
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To: Gary from Dayton

Thanks for the article. The Shroud of Turin is one of the great mysteries, although I believe it to be the real thing. I tend to feel like this scientist (although I was already a believer). If there’s no way our modern technology can replicate it, how was it done all those years ago? It’s all fascinating.


12 posted on 08/21/2024 6:17:46 AM PDT by Kharis13
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To: Carl Vehse

Not so. can we start with the Pray Codex, draw a right before 1200? It’s plainly a depiction of the shroud. Look at the representation of holes that correspond to those on the shroud. Plus the other points in this site:

https://www.raydowning.com/blog/2016/3/18/shroud-of-turin-in-ancient-manuscript?srsltid=AfmBOoqvK4A41mOoSLF0qCVja5L85gmswOk9YD_5gq9Zd74ufZgMdI4F


13 posted on 08/21/2024 6:18:11 AM PDT by j.havenfarm (23 years on Free Republic, 12/10/23! More than 8,000 replies and still not shutting up!)
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To: Gary from Dayton
What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake.

I think if you asked most skeptics they'd say the carbon-14 testing was the proof, with the argument that if it's not the genuine burial cloth it somehow has to be a fake. There are basically two camps. The first believes it's the actual burial cloth of Jesus and the other thinks it's a forgery. Then there's me. I believe it's a freak natural phenomenon.

14 posted on 08/21/2024 6:18:52 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham ("God is a spirit, and man His means of walking on the earth.")
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To: newfreep

You mean re-created...The image is what it is...”0” proof that it ever covered Jesus...


15 posted on 08/21/2024 6:18:52 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (mY)
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To: newfreep

Given the circumstances, the word “miracle”, or “miraculous”, can’t be far away.

A scandal for those who do not believe. Or who fight against belief.


16 posted on 08/21/2024 6:19:16 AM PDT by one guy in new jersey
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To: MTsumi
I don’t agree that it works both ways. Some technique may categorically prove it’s fake in the future, but no method will categorically prove it’s real.

The simple fact it's a photographic negative is the proof that it's real.

17 posted on 08/21/2024 6:21:14 AM PDT by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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To: j.havenfarm

The Pray Codex does not prove the shroud goes back to Christ.


18 posted on 08/21/2024 6:22:34 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Sacajaweau
Hey FRiend, want to earn a cool million dollars?

There is a contest currently underway that should interest the unbelievers.

All you have to do is recreate a photographic negative image of an apparently crucified man on a 14-foot-by-3-foot piece of linen. If you can do it, you win a million dollars.

More details here:

$1 million to replicate Shroud of Turin

Last I heard, the prize money is still available.
19 posted on 08/21/2024 6:27:41 AM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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To: Gary from Dayton
"What I do know is that it should be easy to prove a fake."

A team of scientists had round-the-clock, hands-on access to the shroud for 5 days in 1978. The only restriction was their tests could not be destructive to the material of the shroud. They were unable to explain how the image was created.

20 posted on 08/21/2024 6:28:21 AM PDT by Flag_This (They're lying.)
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