Posted on 08/21/2024 5:38:05 AM PDT by Gary from Dayton
Filmmaker David Rolfe was a self-professed atheist when he set out to make a documentary about one of the most revered religious artifacts in history - the Shroud of Turin.
With the 1978 movie, the photography expert set out to find a prosaic explanation as to how a blood-soaked imprint of a man matching Jesus Christ's description manifested onto the cloth relic.
Instead, he was so convinced of its authenticity he converted to Christianity
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No one on earth can prove it covered Jesus. Geez....give it up...
More importantly, no one can prove that iy didn’t.
As to the canard that Jesus was a myth, well, there is far better documentation of His life and actions than even that of Tiberius Julius Caesar Augustus, who was Roman Emperor at the time of the crucifixion.
Go into a Classics department at a university and claim that Tiberius was a myth. See what happens.
But if you go into a Religious Studies department and say Jesus was a myth, they will make you the chairman.
I don’t agree that it works both ways. Some technique may categorically prove it’s fake in the future, but no method will categorically prove it’s real.
No! Historical documentation of the shroud goes back to 1354. The burden of proof is on those who claim the shroud goes back to the burial of Christ.
I agree. I have read extensively about the shroud. If it is a fake it is a very good one! Linen fabric trim 2,000 years ago with mid Eastern pollen and seeds. Anatomically correct signs of crucifixion such as thumbs pulling into medial position of hands. . An interesting fact is there are no written descriptions of a crucifixion in ancient literature. What we know is from modern studies using cadavers. Is the shroud real? I don’t know but it is intriguing.
“No one on earth can prove it covered Jesus. Geez....give it up..”
I am more interested in the fact that they CANNOT prove that it is fake.
The shroud itself doesn’t mean anything to me.
The fact that even with today’s technology, a shroud cloth with a 3D negative image has never been created.
Consilience.
It’s a powerful thing.
When present, arguments to the contrary have a habit of falling away.
I believe the show about the shroud that I saw on the boob tube about 25 years ago. I’ll never forget it. A couple of experts decided that some guys back in the middle ages decided to prove how easy it was to make a shroud with just a piece of the same kind of cloth and a pizza oven. They tried the same thing. They heated a pizza oven to 375 F, put the cloth over a bust of a Roman guy and let it cook until the parts of the shroud touching the bust turned a golden brown. It was a weird show. Something like you might see on the Kamalala Harris “Joy” Hour.
Thanks for the article. The Shroud of Turin is one of the great mysteries, although I believe it to be the real thing. I tend to feel like this scientist (although I was already a believer). If there’s no way our modern technology can replicate it, how was it done all those years ago? It’s all fascinating.
Not so. can we start with the Pray Codex, draw a right before 1200? It’s plainly a depiction of the shroud. Look at the representation of holes that correspond to those on the shroud. Plus the other points in this site:
I think if you asked most skeptics they'd say the carbon-14 testing was the proof, with the argument that if it's not the genuine burial cloth it somehow has to be a fake. There are basically two camps. The first believes it's the actual burial cloth of Jesus and the other thinks it's a forgery. Then there's me. I believe it's a freak natural phenomenon.
You mean re-created...The image is what it is...”0” proof that it ever covered Jesus...
Given the circumstances, the word “miracle”, or “miraculous”, can’t be far away.
A scandal for those who do not believe. Or who fight against belief.
The simple fact it's a photographic negative is the proof that it's real.
The Pray Codex does not prove the shroud goes back to Christ.
A team of scientists had round-the-clock, hands-on access to the shroud for 5 days in 1978. The only restriction was their tests could not be destructive to the material of the shroud. They were unable to explain how the image was created.
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