Posted on 08/20/2024 8:02:25 AM PDT by navysealdad
The problem isn’t the churches, but their priests.
Nearly all the Orthodox Churches in Ukraine adhere to the Ukrainian Church, only a small minority remain loyal to the Russian Church.
As for the rest, its war. The US also banned men from evading conscription in WW2.
The US does not have a state church.
Russia and Ukraine (and the UK and Germany and Sweden...) have state churches. Its a tough point to get across. Americans arent used to it.
That might be so, but there is a separation of Church and State within the 1st Amendment of the U.S. Constititution, but one would find that hard to believe with all the politicking that goes on in RAT-connected religious institutions in this country. There is also supposed to be freedom of religious choice, but the RAT-controlled government, and its agencies seem intent on persecuting specific religious groups for political reasons.
There is still a large number of Russians that populate Ukraine, and have for many generations. And they are supposed to watch their churches being closed, and accept it? How do Catholics here feel about their local Churches being desanctified and turned over to muslims?
If I understand correctly the services of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church are in Russian where the population is Russian speaking, and the same as that of the Russian Orthodox Church.
The only difference is church governance.
You have masses of churches in the US. Lots of them in storefronts, former theaters, ex-supermarkets, peoples homes. And thats even in San Francisco. Walk down Mission Street sometime.
No thanks.
Every time I’m in San Francisco. The best burritos in town, and the home of cheap luggage.
People speak to me in English (I’m as pale as it gets), I answer in Spanish, and its all smiles.
Also badly affected these days by the downturn in business. A lot of closed storefronts sadly, even somewhere which should be recession-proof.
But more to the point, its also pentecostal-evangelical central, full of little DIY churches.
If you don’t like your local churches, well, you are in America. Start your own.
Never been to San Francisco. Never had the desire. The only time I was in California was in 2007 to take a 5-day cruise. An old friend who lived in Arizona had already booked and paid for it. I’d never taken a cruise before, and she figured that it was short enough for me to decide if it was anything I’d do again. I flew to Arizona from Syracuse, NY, and she drove us to San Diego a couple of days before the cruise left. We went to the San Diego Zoo, and went to Balboa Park, viewing the Dead Sea Scroll exhibit that was at the Museum of Natural History. I decided that ship cruises were not my thing, and never went on another one. In fact, that was the last time I ever flew.
Just mentioning it because its an example of the religious “fertility” of the US, even in San Francisco. There is no consensus anywhere in the US, even in the absolute deepest blue city.
Travel broadens experience, especially so if one does it close and personal. Talk to people, learn languages and dialects and jargon, chat, tell jokes, laugh at theirs. I guess its a matter of personality, but even so, its a good thing to do for the sake of establishing perspective. Leave your bubble and enter other peoples bubbles.
Already did that in my life, especially the many years I was doing research on the Civil War for my masters. Did a lot of traveling, and met a lot of great researchers along the way, many who were authors that I shared my research with. Got several acknowledgments in their books, and a free autographed copy as well. Spent 25 years working in uniform in NY State's prisons. Probably broke a few bubbles along the way, and not just among the inmates. Was fortunate enough to live to retire 21 years ago. Traveled overseas twice after I retired, and could still get around fairly well. Been on FR for almost 26 years. Tried Parler, Gab, Gettr and then Truth Social. Didn't enjoy any of them and dumped them all. To me they are just time wasters, and at 77, time is very precious to me. I'd rather be spending my time reading books, which I try to do every day.
Yeah. Where did they all go?
All those “Slav Ukraine!’’ aholes, stinking up the site?
It is Christian vs. Christian … sometimes. In the Donbas the occupiers are often Buryats from the Russian far east. Chechens with all their arrogance act like they own the place. It is often Ukrainian Christians vs. Russian Mohammedans or Russian convicts.
The title is a lie.
The largest church in Ukraine is the “Orthodox Church of Ukraine” with 78% of the Eastern Orthodox population of Ukraine
the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that is being talked of being banned is actually “the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate)” with 6% of the Eastern Orthodox population of Ukraine.
you need to ascertain if it is an Orthodox Church of Ukraine (Kyiv Patriarchate) or a Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow patriarchate).
Both have the same theology but the latter holds to the Moscow Patriarch, not the Kyiv Patriarch as the archbishop
The article’s title as I pointed out above, is a lie.
the church being referred to in the article accounts for 6% of the Orthodox in Ukraine — this church holds the Patriarch of Moscow as its leader.
the largest Orthodox church in Ukraine is hte “Orthodox church of Ukraine (Kyiv) accounts for 78% of the Orthodox in Ukraine and holds to the Patriarch in Kyiv as its leader
The church referred to in the article is not the “largest Christian church” in Ukraine, not even the “largest Orthodox Christian church in Ukraine” - it has 6% of Orthodox adherents in Ukraine, that is 4% of the total population.
The larges tis the Orthodox Church of Ukraine - 78% of Orthodox and 54% of the total population.
The Catholic church accounts for about 10% of the population, so well smaller than the OCU but larger than the UOC-Moscow patriarchate.
The Orthodox Church - Moscow patriarchate listens to the Patriarch of Moscow, who has blessed the Muscowite invasion of Ukraine. This accounts for 4% of the population.
I think it’s a distraction, but the understanding is that this is a fourth column.
It’s a church...and doesn’t belong closed.
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