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Zelensky says there can't be direct negotiations between Ukraine and Russia but there could be indirect negotiations through a third party where Ukraine and Russia will not only have the third party as an intermediary....

Warring states need to directly agree on ending a conflict.

There is no hope of a third party implementing any deal, as the Minsk agreements (2014, 2015) prove. Minsk was a hybrid case, where the deal was signed by Russia, Ukraine and by the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Ukraine refused to implement the deal, and the OSCE proved toothless and unwilling to try and enforce the Minsk accords....

There are three strong forces keeping Zelensky from the negotiating table -

1 - the US and Britan

2 - Ukrainian legislation, sponsored by Zelensky, prohibiting negotiations with Russia; Zelensky also has signed a decree prohibiting any negotiations https://www.livemint.com/news/world/ukraine-zelensky-signs-decree-rule-out-negotiation-russia-vladimir-putin-impossible-11664876727245.html

3 - Pressure on Zelensky from hard-right nationalists, including especially the neo-Nazi Azov brigade

The Russians say that Zelensky himself is not a negotiating partner because his term of office expired in May.

The battlefield situation, the Russians no doubt figure that the time will soon come when the Ukrainian army either collapses or surrenders, or both. In either case, the Ukrainian government will need to be replaced in some manner, perhaps with an interim military leadership selected by Russia.

Surrender by Ukraine's army and an agreement with a replacement government would make continued NATO involvement in Ukraine impossible.

The key message for NATO if the Russians win in Ukraine, as seems more and more likely, is that NATO has to stop its expansion and look for a more stable arrangement with Russia in Europe.

1 posted on 08/04/2024 11:42:48 AM PDT by Jumper
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Utter crap. The water ration for Russian troops at the front line in Ukraine is down to ONE liter a day in July and August. This is because Russian vehicle-borne supply stops 20km from the front due to constant attacks by Ukrainian UAVs.

That also means Russian tube artillery can't even reach the front line. Almost all of their tube artillery now consists of 122mm howitzers with ranges of 12km because they've burned out the barrels of everything with longer ranges.

The only thing holding the Ukrainians back is their own logistics. They've had the capability of conquering the Crimea (which is out of supply) for months but are waiting for the right psychological moment to do so.

2 posted on 08/04/2024 11:51:30 AM PDT by Thud
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5 posted on 08/04/2024 11:57:35 AM PDT by Who is John Galt? ("...mit Pulver und Blei, Die Gedanken sind frei!")
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The War in Ukraine will not end without the permission of Fake UMC Mom - Tiimber Rattler - Maximoose - Speedy and all of the other Paid posters.


14 posted on 08/04/2024 12:16:07 PM PDT by EC Washington
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The Russians say that Zelensky himself is not a negotiating partner because his term of office expired in May.
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A true statement, much of the world realizes this ( except for the corrupted collective West). The only certainty is St Z will NOT be the one who officially signs their surrender documents. The world will not accept that.


16 posted on 08/04/2024 12:31:07 PM PDT by delta7
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But will it be unconditional surrender? /sarc
17 posted on 08/04/2024 12:35:53 PM PDT by Salman (It's not a slippery slope if it was part of the program all along. )
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Stephen Bryen - former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense and is a leading expert in security strategy, now spokesman & lobbyist for Russia


18 posted on 08/04/2024 12:36:45 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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The littler the man, the bigger the trash talk.

I want to see li'l Z-man hoisted up, Mussolini style.

28 posted on 08/04/2024 4:22:30 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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“Article - Ukraine War Will End in Surrender”

RuZZia is going to surrender?

Sweet.


30 posted on 08/04/2024 5:31:20 PM PDT by SpeedyInTexas (Defeat the Pro-RuZZia wing of the Republican Party)
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