There is nothing like having an idiot in the white hut with Victoria Newland whispering in his ear.
“War is the health of the State.”
Randolph Bourne
The negotiated settlement will be the same one that could have been negotiated prior to the start of the war.
But the West was unwilling to talk wo a willing Russia and kept antagonizing them instead.
Russia made the decision to invade, but the West did nothing to avoid it. In fact, Biden practically invited Russia to invade.
Soros Admits Responsibility for Coup and Mass Murder in Ukraine
27 May 2014 | Infowars
It was a Justice4Poland article.
George Soros told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria over the weekend he is responsible for establishing a foundation in Ukraine that ultimately contributed to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader and the installation of a junta handpicked by the State Department.
“First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?” Zakaria asked Soros.
“Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,” Soros responded.
It is well-known, although forbidden for the establishment media to mention, that Soros worked closely with USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (now doing work formerly assigned to the CIA), the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the Freedom House, and the Albert Einstein Institute to initiate a series of color revolutions in Eastern Europe and Central Asia following the engineered collapse of the Soviet Union.
“Many of the participants in Kiev’s ‘EuroMaidan’ demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given ‘more than any other donor organization’ to ‘democratic transformation’ of Ukraine,” writes William F. Jasper.
This transformation led to fascist ultra-nationalists controlling Ukraine’s security services. In April it was announced Andriy Parubiy and other coup leaders were working with the FBI and CIA to defeat and murder separatists opposed to the junta government installed by Victoria Nuland and the State Department. Parubiy is the founder of a national socialist party in Ukraine and currently the boss of the country’s National Security and Defense Council.
Now that the billionaire “chocolate king” Petro Poroshenko is president of Ukraine, the effort to wipe out all opposition in eastern Ukraine will pick up steam. Poroshenko is a near perfect choice for the globalists and EU apparatchiks. He sat on the Council of the National Bank of Ukraine and collaborated with the IMF, Wall Street and the European Commission.
Poroshenko and the February coup leaders are now killing civilians in Donetsk as the effort continues to dislodge and eradicate “pro-Russian militants” and “terrorists,” i.e., armed resistance fighters going up against Right Sector enforcers possibly accompanied by American mercenaries with the help of the CIA. Civilians are also victims in “rebel”-held Slovyansk and neighboring Kramatorsk as retaliation against resistance to the junta in Kyiv intensifies.
The military response with its overly fascist character, including the terrorist torching of a trade union building in Odessa by “pro-regime rioters” (i.e., Right Sector paramilitaries), can be directly attributed to the activism of George Soros and the hands-on approach of the U.S. State Department, various NGOs (which are, in fact, government and Wall Street fronts), and USAID, NED, and the malattributed “Freedom House,” etc.
Following the murder and expulsion of those opposed to the IMF lording over the government and the people of Ukraine, Russia can expect further provocation, especially now that it has stepped away from supporting the resistance. The financial elite and their EU collaborators are determined to diminish and ultimately eliminate any challenge by Russia and the BRICS as these countries move to counter the neoliberal financial agenda.
Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
The color revolution in Ukraine and the independence of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk
Another fact. In 2013, after the government of President Viktor Yanukovych decided to suspend the association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union and to forge closer economic relations with Russia, a series of protest demonstrations known as Euromaidan began, which lasted several months and culminated in the revolution that overthrew Yanukovych and led to the installation of a new government.
It was an operation sponsored by George Soros, as he candidly told CNN: “I have had a foundation in Ukraine since before it became independent of Russia; this foundation has always been in business and has played a decisive role in today’s events”. This change of government provoked the reaction of Yanukovych’s supporters and of a part of the Ukrainian population opposed to the pro-Western shift of Ukraine, which had not been wanted by the population but was obtained by a color revolution, of which there had been general rehearsals in previous years in Georgia, Moldova and Belarus.
FLASHBACK: George Soros – The God Emperor Of Ukraine
CD Media ^ | May 3, 2022 | CD Media Staff
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2022/05/03/george-soros-the-god-emperor-of-ukraine/
Soros and his NGOs have essentially taken over the operations of the U.S. government in Ukraine. Open Society or Aspen Institute people have been placed strategically in positions of power throughout the Department of State, CIA, FBI, USAID, and other American governmental instruments. Soros NGOs like the Open Society Institute, the Aspen Institute, and the International Renaissance Foundation train a pipeline of cadre that when experienced enough are placed in the appropriate positions of power.
“After the heroic Ukrainian defeat of the 2022 Russian bid to take Kyiv, there have been few significant territorial gains by either side.”
I guess this is what it takes to get published these days.
From Wikipedia years ago
Movements.org is an online platform working to connect activists worldwide. It was founded when The Alliance for Youth Movements rebranded itself in 2011. It is an online marketplace that connects dissidents in closed societies to individuals in open societies with experience in such areas as legal work, mathematics, science, media, PR and technology. When activists post requests for assistance, experts and professionals respond with offers of assistance.
History[edit]
In October 2008, Columbia University, the US Department of State, Google, Howcast Media and other media companies sponsored the inaugural Alliance of Youth Movements Summit. This event brought together digital activists, technology and media leaders, non-governmental organisations (NGOs), and governments to convene, share best practices, and create a network of socially responsible Grassroots activists using technology for their movements and campaigns.
Following the inaugural summit, Jason Liebman (CEO and co-founder of Howcast), Roman Tsunder (co-founder of Access 360 Media), and Jared Cohen (Director of Google Ideas at Google) co-founded the Alliance for Youth Movements. This organization was dedicated to identifying, connecting, and supporting digital activists at the annual summit and throughout the year.
In December 2009, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 2nd annual summit in Mexico City. This summit was sponsored by the US Department of State as well as other sponsors. The event convened activists and supporters interested in how social media and connection technologies were helping to combat violence, with a special focus on Latin America.
In March 2010, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 3rd annual summit in London, which was sponsored by the UK Home Office and other media companies. At the end of the summit, it was announced that the Alliance for Youth Movements was launching a new online hub for digital activism, Movements.org.
In February 2011, Movements.org officially launched and the Alliance for Youth Movements re-branded itself as Movements.org.
In June 2012, Movements.org formally became a division of Advancing Human Rights (AHR), created in 2010 by Robert L. Bernstein (the founder of Human Rights Watch and former President and CEO of Random House for twenty-five years). AHR focuses on freedom of speech, women’s rights and promoting the freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, particularly by leveraging the power of the Internet.[1] In 2016 Movements.org separated from Advancing Human Rights and is an independent project managed with the help of Democracy Council.
In August 2012, Movements.org in collaboration with Al Jazeera launched an interactive tool that tracks the defections of senior Syrian military officials, members of parliament and diplomats of Assad’s regime. The tracker was released on Al Jazeera.[2]
On July 9, 2014, Movements.org launched as a marketplace site, where dissidents in closed societies could connect to legal, PR and technology experts in open societies.[7][1] Natan Sharansky said of the platform, “Too often, leaders of the Free World have proved to be a disappointment to today’s dissidents. The citizens of free nations don’t need to.”
Mission and activities[edit]
Movements.org enables the exchange of skills and resources between activists and experts. Activists can post short descriptions of their projects and needs, while legal and other experts provide assistance using their special skills. Movements received support from Google Ideas in its start-up phase, and from Ronin Analytics in the design of its digital security perimeter.[3] Since its launch in July 2014, Movements.org has announced partnerships with SaferVPN - a software provider, which has committed to make free VPN subscriptions available for activists in closed societies,[4] and Youth Service America who run events to empower young people to engage in volunteer work.[5] Dissident users of Movements have regularly published original content in The Daily Beast.[6] Movements.org currently has over 20,000 users from up to 140 countries. The website is available in English, Arabic, Chinese, Ukrainian, Russian, Persian and French.
Unfortunately, Hanson gets many things wrong.
Controversy still arises over the circumstances of the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.
There have been two free and fair elections since 2014, and in the last election Zelensky received 73% of the vote.
But Ukraine’s problem is not so much weapons as manpower. Nearly a fourth of Ukraine’s population has fled the country....The average age of its soldiers is over 40 years.
There is no lack of manpower in Ukraine, there is a lack of sufficient training and weapons. Only women, children and males below the age of 18 or above the age of 60 left the country.
As to the average age being 40, this was done on purpose, with Ukraine drafting only men older than 25.
They urge Kyiv to seek critical disproportionality through superior weaponry, including hitting strategic targets inside Russia.
False, the Biden administration has for years forbidden Ukraine from attacking military sites in Russia with US weapons. They even tried to stop Ukraine from attacking Russia's oil sites with homemade drones.
The U.S. has overlooked the cancellation of Ukrainian political parties and elections by the Zelensky administration.
Ukraine banned 11 pro-Russian parties out of more than 300 when the war started. As to elections, Ukraine's law forbids elections during martial law. Churchill also cancelled elections during WW2.
Ukraine would be fully armed but without NATO membership.
And this would stop the next invasion by Putin?
Ukraine would be proud that, like heroic 1940 Finland,
Finland joined NATO, realizing something Hanson does not, that only NATO guarantees the independence of Russia's neighbors and not some treaty signed by Putin.
https://cepa.org/article/dont-let-russia-fool-you-about-the-minsk-agreements/
Is it possible that VDH does not know this?
VDH has zero credibility on this issue. From the very beginning he was trafficking the outright lie that Putin was reconstituting the Soviet Union beginning in Ukraine. What an incredibly stupid position to have taken back then. Not interested in his views now after he was so completely wrong then.
Blah blah blah. VDH has gotten boring. How about demanding shit-for-brains Biden broker peace between the countries? Nobody even talks about peace so it’s unlikely its going to happen by chance. Similar to NONE of our politicians ever mentioning the need to cut spending in this country. It’s ALL bloody theater.
THE BBC: West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says
BBC ^ | June 21 | BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
THE BBC: West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says
BBC ^ | June 21 | BBC
Nigel Farage has said the West “provoked” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by expanding the European Union and Nato military alliance eastwards.
The Reform UK leader told the BBC that “of course” the war was President Vladimir Putin’s fault.
But he added that the expansion of the EU and Nato gave him a “reason” to tell the Russian people “they’re coming for us again”.
In an interview with the BBC’s Nick Robinson, Mr Farage was challenged over his judgement and past statements, including when he named Russian President Vladimir Putin as the world leader he most admired in 2014.
“I said I disliked him as a person, but admired him as a political operator because he’s managed to take control of running Russia,” Mr Farage said.
He was then pressed over a social media post in February 2022, external, when he claimed the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “a consequence of EU and Nato expansion”.
Mr Farage said he had been arguing since the 1990s that “the ever eastward expansion” of the Nato military alliance and the EU was giving President Putin “a reason to [give to] his Russian people to say they’re coming for us again and to go to war”.
He added: “We provoked this war. Of course, it’s [President Putin’s] fault.”
Responding to the interview, Conservative Home Secretary James Cleverly said, external Mr Farage was “echoing Putin’s vile justification for the brutal invasion of Ukraine”.
Labour defence spokesman John Healey said Mr Farage’s comments made him “unfit for any political office in our country, let alone leading a serious party in Parliament.”
Gaslighting. The establishment wants to protect its playground from being overrun.
WIKI
The first deaths occurred on Unity Day, 22 January, during riots on Hrushevskoho Street in Kyiv, where three activists: Serhiy Nigoyan, Mykhailo Zhyznevskyi and Roman Senyk [uk] were shot dead by security forces. On the same day, the dead body of activist Yuriy Verbytsky [uk] was found on the city outskirts; he had been kidnapped a day before with Ihor Lutsenko, who was released.
then Prime Minister Mykola Azarov in a BBC interview said that police had not been issued firearms, and said no police officers were located on the rooftops around the protest area. He stated that the shooting of protesters was a provocation by extremist forces aimed at escalating violence
On 18 February, protesters attempted to march from Independence Square to the parliament building, to urge politicians to vote for constitutional amendments. Clashes broke out as their path was blocked by riot police, who tried to push them back to Maidan. Eleven protesters were killed or fatally wounded. Three of them were shot dead by police; the rest died of other injuries. Four police officers were also shot and killed.
Later that evening and into the early hours of 19th February, the security forces launched an operation to clear Independence Square. Small groups of titushky (government loyalists) also gathered nearby. Clashes broke out between the security forces and protesters, resulting in the deaths of seventeen protesters and five police officers. Most of the protesters were shot by police. Two others died when police set the Trade Union building on fire, and another was found dead with his throat slit. A journalist, Viacheslav Veremii, was beaten and shot dead by titushky for filming them. The five police officers died from gunshot wounds.
On the morning of 20 February, riot police massed at the edge of the Maidan camp on Independence Square. At around 9am, two Berkut officers were shot dead. Around the same time, protesters tried to push the security forces away from the Maidan and back up Instytutska Street. The security forces fired indiscriminately on the protesters from ground level, while snipers fired on protesters from above. By midday, 48 protesters had been shot dead on Instytutska Street, as had two other police officers. According to the newspaper Ukrainska Pravda, special forces (Berkut) and Interior Troops snipers shot at people on Maidan and/or snipers located in nearby buildings, with the special forces firing AK-47 assault rifles. 20 February was the bloodiest day of the clashes, with at least 21 protesters killed.
The final death toll from these clashes in late February was 103 protesters and 13 police. According to Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleh Zalisko in February, 184 people sustained gunshot wounds in Kyiv and over 750 suffered bodily injury. On 20 February, the (then) opposition parties (Batkivshchyna, UDAR and Svoboda) stated “To hold talks with the regime, the policies of which led to the deaths of many people, is an extremely unpleasant thing but we must do everything possible and even the impossible to prevent further bloodshed”.
In June 2016, the Prosecutor General of Ukraine announced that forensic examinations had matched bullets removed from the victims’ bodies with the assault rifles of the Berkut. In the years since the revolution, the Office of the Prosecutor General has identified 27 Berkut officers involved in the 20 February shootings of protesters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maidan_casualties
NOTE: I doubt the police shot themselves. Who did?
I listen to VDH regularly. He seems to have bought in to some bad propaganda about how the war is going. He has made statements to the effect that the Russians are largely using human wave assaults like in the first world war and are losing massive numbers of people. The reality is very much the reverse. It is the Ukrainians who are suffering more casualties than the Russians given Russia’s huge advantage in artillery and air power. Ukraine cannot hope to achieve a stalemate. It had a smaller population to begin with, something like 1/4 of its population has left the country and it has suffered well north of the 300,000 casualties VDH claims. Ukraine has had more than 500,000 soldiers killed.
We can assume it has had hundreds of thousands more gravely wounded and unfit for combat. This is drawing on a population base of perhaps 30 million once you factor in those who have fled and those in the Donbas who are ethnic Russians and thus sided with Russia. I think VDH’s idea of Russia settling for what it has taken in the Donbas so far is off the table. That’s the deal that could have been made 2 years ago. Now that Russia has had to incur the expense in blood and treasure of grinding Ukraine down, they’re probably not going to settle for anything less than all of the Donbas and they may even go for all of the Black Sea coast including Odessa.
Its like in the middle ages when an army would besiege a city or castle. The rule was if you surrender, we’ll let you march out with your weapons and there will be no sacking. If you make us break you in a siege, we will have no mercy at all.
My suggestions:
armistice
plebiscites for all disputed areas
(voting boundaries in Russian-held areas to be set by Ukraine)
(voting boundaries in Ukrainian-held areas to be set by Russia)
all areas to end at a front line
all boundary points of an area not of a front line to be at least two kilometers apart
front lines to be those of the ISW as of an agreed date (or those of say 14/06/2024) except in cases justly deemed by the UN General Assembly to be off by more than a kilometer
no foreign troops in what is left of Ukraine
no ex-foreign troops in what is left of Ukraine
no Ukrainian membership in NATO
Ukrainian missile warheads limited to 50kg. maximum
Ukrainian missiles limited to 50km. range maximum
Interesting to note, Trumps latest Peace deal freezes the front lines, which happens to be the ethnic Russian provinces.
Vlad stated on day one elections for these Russian provinces, a vote for Independence from Ukraine.
It appears Trump’s “ deal” will follow the Minsk agreements that the Ukies and EU violated. You know, the deal Merkel publicly stated that was made to buy the West time to arm up Ukraine.
The West simply can not be trusted, and it is clear Vlad will keep his ethnic Russian provinces. All that is needed now is a change in the Ukie Constitution:
No NATO.
Vlad is accomplishing everything he stated on day one, with the exception of wiping out the Ukie Neo Nazi’s…..now how to handle the huge DMZ? …the Russians are calling for a 300-500 kilometer Dead Zone. Why so deep? Because this brain dead administration gave the Ukies long range missiles, the longer range missiles given : the deeper the Dead Zone.
Why does the collective West keep committing suicide?
I would like to see analysis by someone who understands the Slavic mind, or by someone who at least admits that he does not understand the Slavic mind. I realize that the facts that are cited in the thread are directed at the western mind as are the main talking points in VDH’s article.
Are we trying to predict what is going to happen?
Why do we need to justify either side?
There was long thread the other day about name calling on FR. I appreciated the sentiment shared. My question is, why do you think that name calling works? If Bobl calls someone a “Zeeper” does that do anything? If somebody calls him a “Russian propagandist” does that make him go away?
(Full disclosure- BobL is a FReeper whom I hold in high regard.)