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Victor Davis Hanson: Stop the Ukrainian Meatgrinder?
American Greatness ^ | 27 Jun, 2024 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 06/27/2024 4:55:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber

The only practicable way to avoid another near-one million dead and wounded would be a settlement, however unpopular.

Nearly eleven months ago, in August 2023, the New York Times reported that U.S. officials had estimated that some 500,000 Russians and Ukrainians had been killed, wounded, or missing in the then 18-month Ukrainian War.

Both Russia and Ukraine underreport their losses. Hundreds of thousands of additional casualties have followed in the 28 months of fighting.

In the West, the mere mention of a negotiated settlement is considered a dangerous appeasement of Russia’s flagrant aggression. In Russia, anything short of victory would be seen as synonymous with the collapse of the Putin regime.

Yet as the war nears two and a half years this summer, some facts are no longer much in dispute.

Controversy still arises over the circumstances of the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.

Russia charges that the West engineered the “Revolution of Dignity”—an effort to westernize the former Soviet republic, to expand the borders of Europe right to the doorstep of Russia, and eventually to fully arm Ukraine as a member of NATO.

Westerners counter that most Ukrainians wished to be part of Europe and independent from Russian bullying—and they had a perfect right to ask to join either NATO or the EU or both despite anticipated escalating tensions.

After the heroic Ukrainian defeat of the 2022 Russian bid to take Kyiv, there have been few significant territorial gains by either side.

Like the seesaw bloodbath on the Western Front of World War I, neither side has developed the momentum to force the other to negotiate or grant concessions.

As nuclear Russian threats against Europe mount, NATO is seeking to regain deterrence capabilities by boosting defense budgets, incorporating robust frontline nations Sweden and Finland....

(Excerpt) Read more at amgreatness.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; Ukraine
KEYWORDS: inbredneocons; killkillkillforpeace; mic; neocohens; slavsareexpendable; tothelastukrainian; ukraine; vdh; victordavishanson; war; welfarewar
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1 posted on 06/27/2024 4:55:18 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber

There is nothing like having an idiot in the white hut with Victoria Newland whispering in his ear.


2 posted on 06/27/2024 4:55:58 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page. More photos added.)
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To: MtnClimber

“War is the health of the State.”

Randolph Bourne


3 posted on 06/27/2024 4:57:04 AM PDT by mewzilla (Never give up; never surrender!)
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To: MtnClimber

The negotiated settlement will be the same one that could have been negotiated prior to the start of the war.

But the West was unwilling to talk wo a willing Russia and kept antagonizing them instead.

Russia made the decision to invade, but the West did nothing to avoid it. In fact, Biden practically invited Russia to invade.


4 posted on 06/27/2024 5:07:19 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (This is the end of the Republic....because we could not keep it.)
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To: MtnClimber

Soros Admits Responsibility for Coup and Mass Murder in Ukraine
27 May 2014 | Infowars
It was a Justice4Poland article.

George Soros told CNN’s Fareed Zakaria over the weekend he is responsible for establishing a foundation in Ukraine that ultimately contributed to the overthrow of the country’s elected leader and the installation of a junta handpicked by the State Department.

“First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you during the revolutions of 1989 funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in eastern Europe and Poland, the Czech Republic. Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?” Zakaria asked Soros.

“Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now,” Soros responded.

It is well-known, although forbidden for the establishment media to mention, that Soros worked closely with USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy (now doing work formerly assigned to the CIA), the International Republican Institute, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the Freedom House, and the Albert Einstein Institute to initiate a series of color revolutions in Eastern Europe and Central Asia following the engineered collapse of the Soviet Union.

“Many of the participants in Kiev’s ‘EuroMaidan’ demonstrations were members of Soros-funded NGOs and/or were trained by the same NGOs in the many workshops and conferences sponsored by Soros’ International Renaissance Foundation (IRF), and his various Open Society institutes and foundations. The IRF, founded and funded by Soros, boasts that it has given ‘more than any other donor organization’ to ‘democratic transformation’ of Ukraine,” writes William F. Jasper.

This transformation led to fascist ultra-nationalists controlling Ukraine’s security services. In April it was announced Andriy Parubiy and other coup leaders were working with the FBI and CIA to defeat and murder separatists opposed to the junta government installed by Victoria Nuland and the State Department. Parubiy is the founder of a national socialist party in Ukraine and currently the boss of the country’s National Security and Defense Council.

Now that the billionaire “chocolate king” Petro Poroshenko is president of Ukraine, the effort to wipe out all opposition in eastern Ukraine will pick up steam. Poroshenko is a near perfect choice for the globalists and EU apparatchiks. He sat on the Council of the National Bank of Ukraine and collaborated with the IMF, Wall Street and the European Commission.

Poroshenko and the February coup leaders are now killing civilians in Donetsk as the effort continues to dislodge and eradicate “pro-Russian militants” and “terrorists,” i.e., armed resistance fighters going up against Right Sector enforcers possibly accompanied by American mercenaries with the help of the CIA. Civilians are also victims in “rebel”-held Slovyansk and neighboring Kramatorsk as retaliation against resistance to the junta in Kyiv intensifies.

The military response with its overly fascist character, including the terrorist torching of a trade union building in Odessa by “pro-regime rioters” (i.e., Right Sector paramilitaries), can be directly attributed to the activism of George Soros and the hands-on approach of the U.S. State Department, various NGOs (which are, in fact, government and Wall Street fronts), and USAID, NED, and the malattributed “Freedom House,” etc.

Following the murder and expulsion of those opposed to the IMF lording over the government and the people of Ukraine, Russia can expect further provocation, especially now that it has stepped away from supporting the resistance. The financial elite and their EU collaborators are determined to diminish and ultimately eliminate any challenge by Russia and the BRICS as these countries move to counter the neoliberal financial agenda.


5 posted on 06/27/2024 5:11:00 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: MtnClimber

Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

The color revolution in Ukraine and the independence of Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk

Another fact. In 2013, after the government of President Viktor Yanukovych decided to suspend the association agreement between Ukraine and the European Union and to forge closer economic relations with Russia, a series of protest demonstrations known as Euromaidan began, which lasted several months and culminated in the revolution that overthrew Yanukovych and led to the installation of a new government.

It was an operation sponsored by George Soros, as he candidly told CNN: “I have had a foundation in Ukraine since before it became independent of Russia; this foundation has always been in business and has played a decisive role in today’s events”. This change of government provoked the reaction of Yanukovych’s supporters and of a part of the Ukrainian population opposed to the pro-Western shift of Ukraine, which had not been wanted by the population but was obtained by a color revolution, of which there had been general rehearsals in previous years in Georgia, Moldova and Belarus.


6 posted on 06/27/2024 5:15:55 AM PDT by Haddit
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FLASHBACK: George Soros – The God Emperor Of Ukraine
CD Media ^ | May 3, 2022 | CD Media Staff
https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2022/05/03/george-soros-the-god-emperor-of-ukraine/

Soros and his NGOs have essentially taken over the operations of the U.S. government in Ukraine. Open Society or Aspen Institute people have been placed strategically in positions of power throughout the Department of State, CIA, FBI, USAID, and other American governmental instruments. Soros NGOs like the Open Society Institute, the Aspen Institute, and the International Renaissance Foundation train a pipeline of cadre that when experienced enough are placed in the appropriate positions of power.


7 posted on 06/27/2024 5:20:14 AM PDT by Haddit
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To: MtnClimber

“After the heroic Ukrainian defeat of the 2022 Russian bid to take Kyiv, there have been few significant territorial gains by either side.”

I guess this is what it takes to get published these days.


8 posted on 06/27/2024 5:30:56 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MtnClimber

From Wikipedia years ago
Movements.org is an online platform working to connect activists worldwide. It was founded when The Alliance for Youth Movements rebranded itself in 2011. It is an online marketplace that connects dissidents in closed societies to individuals in open societies with experience in such areas as legal work, mathematics, science, media, PR and technology. When activists post requests for assistance, experts and professionals respond with offers of assistance.

History[edit]
In October 2008, Columbia University, the US Department of State, Google, Howcast Media and other media companies sponsored the inaugural Alliance of Youth Movements Summit. This event brought together digital activists, technology and media leaders, non-governmental organisations (NGOs), and governments to convene, share best practices, and create a network of socially responsible Grassroots activists using technology for their movements and campaigns.

Following the inaugural summit, Jason Liebman (CEO and co-founder of Howcast), Roman Tsunder (co-founder of Access 360 Media), and Jared Cohen (Director of Google Ideas at Google) co-founded the Alliance for Youth Movements. This organization was dedicated to identifying, connecting, and supporting digital activists at the annual summit and throughout the year.

In December 2009, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 2nd annual summit in Mexico City. This summit was sponsored by the US Department of State as well as other sponsors. The event convened activists and supporters interested in how social media and connection technologies were helping to combat violence, with a special focus on Latin America.

In March 2010, The Alliance for Youth Movements hosted its 3rd annual summit in London, which was sponsored by the UK Home Office and other media companies. At the end of the summit, it was announced that the Alliance for Youth Movements was launching a new online hub for digital activism, Movements.org.

In February 2011, Movements.org officially launched and the Alliance for Youth Movements re-branded itself as Movements.org.

In June 2012, Movements.org formally became a division of Advancing Human Rights (AHR), created in 2010 by Robert L. Bernstein (the founder of Human Rights Watch and former President and CEO of Random House for twenty-five years). AHR focuses on freedom of speech, women’s rights and promoting the freedoms outlined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, particularly by leveraging the power of the Internet.[1] In 2016 Movements.org separated from Advancing Human Rights and is an independent project managed with the help of Democracy Council.

In August 2012, Movements.org in collaboration with Al Jazeera launched an interactive tool that tracks the defections of senior Syrian military officials, members of parliament and diplomats of Assad’s regime. The tracker was released on Al Jazeera.[2]

On July 9, 2014, Movements.org launched as a marketplace site, where dissidents in closed societies could connect to legal, PR and technology experts in open societies.[7][1] Natan Sharansky said of the platform, “Too often, leaders of the Free World have proved to be a disappointment to today’s dissidents. The citizens of free nations don’t need to.”

Mission and activities[edit]
Movements.org enables the exchange of skills and resources between activists and experts. Activists can post short descriptions of their projects and needs, while legal and other experts provide assistance using their special skills. Movements received support from Google Ideas in its start-up phase, and from Ronin Analytics in the design of its digital security perimeter.[3] Since its launch in July 2014, Movements.org has announced partnerships with SaferVPN - a software provider, which has committed to make free VPN subscriptions available for activists in closed societies,[4] and Youth Service America who run events to empower young people to engage in volunteer work.[5] Dissident users of Movements have regularly published original content in The Daily Beast.[6] Movements.org currently has over 20,000 users from up to 140 countries. The website is available in English, Arabic, Chinese, Ukrainian, Russian, Persian and French.


9 posted on 06/27/2024 5:31:10 AM PDT by Haddit
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“Soros Admits Responsibility for Coup and Mass Murder in Ukraine”

QUIET - You’ll upset the Zeepers if you point out that they’re doing the dirty work of Soros.


10 posted on 06/27/2024 5:36:31 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MtnClimber
Victor Davis Hanson: Stop the Ukrainian Meatgrinder?

Unfortunately, Hanson gets many things wrong.

Controversy still arises over the circumstances of the 2014 overthrow of Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych.

There have been two free and fair elections since 2014, and in the last election Zelensky received 73% of the vote.

But Ukraine’s problem is not so much weapons as manpower. Nearly a fourth of Ukraine’s population has fled the country....The average age of its soldiers is over 40 years.

There is no lack of manpower in Ukraine, there is a lack of sufficient training and weapons. Only women, children and males below the age of 18 or above the age of 60 left the country.

As to the average age being 40, this was done on purpose, with Ukraine drafting only men older than 25.

They urge Kyiv to seek critical disproportionality through superior weaponry, including hitting strategic targets inside Russia.

False, the Biden administration has for years forbidden Ukraine from attacking military sites in Russia with US weapons. They even tried to stop Ukraine from attacking Russia's oil sites with homemade drones.

The U.S. has overlooked the cancellation of Ukrainian political parties and elections by the Zelensky administration.

Ukraine banned 11 pro-Russian parties out of more than 300 when the war started. As to elections, Ukraine's law forbids elections during martial law. Churchill also cancelled elections during WW2.

Ukraine would be fully armed but without NATO membership.

And this would stop the next invasion by Putin?

Ukraine would be proud that, like heroic 1940 Finland,

Finland joined NATO, realizing something Hanson does not, that only NATO guarantees the independence of Russia's neighbors and not some treaty signed by Putin.

11 posted on 06/27/2024 5:39:34 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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If the Zeepers show up, they’ll claim that EVERYTHING you just posted is BS, and you have to believe their (revised) version of history, which, in a nutshell is that Putin woke up in a bad mood in Feb. 2022 and thus decided to invade Ukraine. The West? Who us? Why we never had ANYTHING AT ALL to do with Ukraine, not thing! LOL.


12 posted on 06/27/2024 5:39:40 AM PDT by BobL
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To: MtnClimber
Every diplomat who has ever negotiated with Russians will tell you that they never, never, NEVER negotiate in good faith. Any "settlement" will be broken the moment our back is turned, just they did the 2nd "Minsk Accord".

https://cepa.org/article/dont-let-russia-fool-you-about-the-minsk-agreements/

Is it possible that VDH does not know this?

13 posted on 06/27/2024 5:41:04 AM PDT by Chad C. Mulligan (Your insults are my rocket fuel. Thank you!)
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“independence of Crimea”

As I understand things, Crimea hasn’t been (even nominally) independent for centuries.


14 posted on 06/27/2024 5:41:29 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: MtnClimber

VDH has zero credibility on this issue. From the very beginning he was trafficking the outright lie that Putin was reconstituting the Soviet Union beginning in Ukraine. What an incredibly stupid position to have taken back then. Not interested in his views now after he was so completely wrong then.


15 posted on 06/27/2024 5:43:28 AM PDT by hardspunned (Former DC GOP globalist stooge)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“Biden practically invited Russia to invade.”

Maybe one of the reasons was to cover up the crimes that happened in Ukraine by the CIA and other entities for the last twenty years.

The fact is that many US politicians were making money off of Ukraine through their children or other people in their family. Not just the Bidens. Romney’s kid was involved. As was Kerry’s stepson.


16 posted on 06/27/2024 5:44:01 AM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: Haddit
It was an operation sponsored by George Soros,

Sure, Ukrainians are brain dead and must be mind controlled by CIA/Soros/Nuland.

Its not that they see the better standard of living in the EU vs Russia(where 20% of household do not have indoor toilets) and therefore would want to join the EU vs some Russian-BananaStan Economic Group. Okay

17 posted on 06/27/2024 5:45:19 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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Blah blah blah. VDH has gotten boring. How about demanding shit-for-brains Biden broker peace between the countries? Nobody even talks about peace so it’s unlikely its going to happen by chance. Similar to NONE of our politicians ever mentioning the need to cut spending in this country. It’s ALL bloody theater.


18 posted on 06/27/2024 5:50:09 AM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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THE BBC: West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says
BBC ^ | June 21 | BBC
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cldd44zv3kpo
THE BBC: West provoked Ukraine war, Nigel Farage says
BBC ^ | June 21 | BBC

Nigel Farage has said the West “provoked” Russia’s invasion of Ukraine by expanding the European Union and Nato military alliance eastwards.

The Reform UK leader told the BBC that “of course” the war was President Vladimir Putin’s fault.

But he added that the expansion of the EU and Nato gave him a “reason” to tell the Russian people “they’re coming for us again”.

In an interview with the BBC’s Nick Robinson, Mr Farage was challenged over his judgement and past statements, including when he named Russian President Vladimir Putin as the world leader he most admired in 2014.

“I said I disliked him as a person, but admired him as a political operator because he’s managed to take control of running Russia,” Mr Farage said.

He was then pressed over a social media post in February 2022, external, when he claimed the Russian invasion of Ukraine was “a consequence of EU and Nato expansion”.

Mr Farage said he had been arguing since the 1990s that “the ever eastward expansion” of the Nato military alliance and the EU was giving President Putin “a reason to [give to] his Russian people to say they’re coming for us again and to go to war”.

He added: “We provoked this war. Of course, it’s [President Putin’s] fault.”

Responding to the interview, Conservative Home Secretary James Cleverly said, external Mr Farage was “echoing Putin’s vile justification for the brutal invasion of Ukraine”.

Labour defence spokesman John Healey said Mr Farage’s comments made him “unfit for any political office in our country, let alone leading a serious party in Parliament.”


19 posted on 06/27/2024 5:56:29 AM PDT by Haddit
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In the West, the mere mention of a negotiated settlement is considered a dangerous appeasement of Russia’s flagrant aggression.

Gaslighting. The establishment wants to protect its playground from being overrun.

20 posted on 06/27/2024 6:03:04 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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