Posted on 06/19/2024 1:30:11 PM PDT by libh8er
RACINE, Wis. — Former President Donald Trump heaped praise on ex-presidential rival Vivek Ramaswamy at his Tuesday afternoon rally in Wisconsin — pleasing supporters who want the fiery entrepreneur on the 2024 ticket.
“If I gave it to Vivek to do, he’d pull it off,” declared the presumptive Republican nominee, referring to his administration’s tariff negotiations with French President Emmanuel Macron.
“He’s gonna be with us in some form,” said Trump of Ramaswamy as he repeatedly referenced and spoke to the former presidential candidate during his speech.
He’s a “smart guy.”
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Trump's mother wasn't born here either. The fact she later became a US citizen before Donald was born is immaterial. Look it up. A true NBC has parents who are true NBC's.
If Vivek is not qualified, then neither is Trump.
All caps are screaming... QUIT SCREAMING!!!!
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NBC is an issue we shouldn’t be ignoring
TRUMP NBC STATUS HAS BEEN CLEARED UP BEFORE.
THE FOUNDING FATHERS KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WERE DOING.
THEY DIDN’T WANT DUAL ALLEGIANCE INVOLVING ANOTHER COUNTRY.
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Sure. And you go read the 14th Amendment. Which attempted and failed to undo the mess made by the above referenced article. And go read the HUNDREDS of court cases and legal opinions that prove you are wrong.
IF TRUMP’S MOTHER BECAME A CITIZEN BEFORE TRUMP WAS BORN-—IT IS MATERIAL.
SHE GOT THE SEQUENCE CORRECT and TRUMP IS “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”.
Sorry for your eye trouble. Hope this large font helps.
That definition has been moot since Obama and possibly since 1968 and Henry Kissinger who as SoS was in line to be president.
Vivek has a better claim to NBC status than Obama, and Kissinger, as it is not clear Obama was born in the US. He has a better claim than Ted Cruz (Who I like) who was born in Canada and lived there as a child.
The new, defacto, definition of NBC is that the parents were legally in the country when the person was born. You and I may not like that, but there it is. What I want to see is no dual citizenship. I am assuming Vivek renounced his Indian citizenship when he turned 18. The issue for me is “no allegiance to foreign princes” Renouncing the other citizenship at 18 to 21 does that. FWIW, I believe and have stated that this, not the birth certificate issue was how Republicans should have attacked Obama’s eligibility. Did his Indonesian stepfather adopt him and make him an Indonesian citizen? If so, did he legally renounce that citizenship when he was 18 to 21? I don’t think he did. Obama was ineligible to be President because he holds, even if unused or acknowledged, Indonesian Citizenship. Much easier to prove than the birth certificate.
Incidentally, I feel that I have forfeited my NBC status because I hold dual citizenship. (US and HK) Since I took that duality up of my own free will as an adult, it wasn’t something I was born with, even if I renounce my HK citizenship I am no longer an NBC. Also, my wife worked as a consultant for the PRC and one of my daughters is a commercial banker for Citic Ka Wa Bank in Shanghai (A state-owned bank). I cannot say I don’t have at least a tenuous alliance to a foreign prince. It is possible that Vivek would have a better argument for being an NBC than I do.
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There's a certain amount of arguing at cross-purposes here, so pardon me if I am assuming something indirectly and in error.
I'm not scandalized that Vivek's parents weren't citizens when he was born--because he's not running for President that I know of. It is also my understanding that his parents were here legally when he was born--even if they were not citizens. So I would conclude that he isn't an anchor baby.
Since he is not NBC, I wouldn't favor him campaigning for President or VP himself, but consider that he would most likely be an asset for the good guys as a cabinet member or something analogous.
HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN ACCORDING TO THE US CONSTITUTION AND THE INTERPRETATION OF ALL COURTS FOR WELL OVER 100 YEARS.
IT SIMPLY DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DISAGREE.
THE SAME IS TRUE OF ALL OF TRUMP’S KIDS. AGAIN IT DOES NOT MATTER IF YOU DISAGREE. YOUR OPINION IS OF NO LEGAL EFFECT.
IT REALLY ISN’T THAT HARD TO UNDERSTAND.
All Cabinet secretaries are in the line of succession to the presidency. Teddy Roosevelt’s Commerce Secretary was Oscar Straus, born in the Kingdom of Bavaria to non-American parents.
Yes, that’s why I said he can’t be VP.
Harris IS VP and that sets a legal precedence just like Obama before her. You not any other sets who is qualified as a NBC that has already been decided more than once and now legal standing is moot. The USSC will never directly take a case because it’s already been settled in practicality. A person born on American soil is qualified to be VP or Potus that is the standing law of the land and has been proven to be such not once but twice now. You don’t have to like it but that’s what it is and I will bet $10,000 the USSC will never grant standing otherwise it’s just mental masturbation for anything else. We have Harris as the VP and if Ram get the VP pic he is every bit as qualified as the legal sitting VP now it’s all moot and frankly not up to the rabble to decide Congress took no action to codify the meaning of NBC before precedence was set and now no court will touch it EVER.
Just because she is VP, just like Kissinger as Secretary of State, doesn’t mean she can take the president role. She’d have to let it go to the next person in line.
NBC is a legal issue. Vivek Ramaswamy was born on August 8, 1985 in Cincinnati, Ohio to parents who were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. The U.S. Supreme Court (SC) has ruled that someone who is born on U.S. soil is an NBC if at the time of his birth, his parents were in the U.S. legally but not U.S. citizens. Therefore, according to the mandatory legal authority of sound constitutionally-based SC ruling and precedent, Vivek is an NBC.
Detailed argument
Since around 1900, (SC) rulings have become less and less valid because SC has gradually moved away from basing their decisions on the Constitution as written and originally understood and intended. But their ruling on NBC appear to be based on sound application of the Constitution.
In Perkins v. Elg, 99 F. 2d 408, Court of Appeals, Dist. of Columbia Circuit 1938, the Court of Appeals noted as part of the basis for their decision that...
United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 18 S. Ct. 456, 42 L. Ed. 890, 1898 [found that] [W]hen the Constitution was adopted the people of the United States were the citizens of the several States for whom and for whose posterity the government was established. Each of them was a citizen of the United States at the adoption of the Constitution, and all free persons thereafter born within one of the several States became by birth citizens of the State and of the United States.
It appears the Supreme Court in Elg (1939) agrees with Ark (1898).
(Both Marie Elizabeth Elg and Wong Kim Ark were born on U.S. soil to parents who were here legally but not U.S. citizens.)
Again, the Constitution is properly applied as written and ORIGINALLY UNDERSTOOD and intended. What matters is what the ratifiers of the Constitution considered an NBC was. The Supreme Court decisions based on the good-faith and sound finding of original understanding of NBC in the Constitution is, therefore, legal precedent concerning NBC. Thus, Vivek should be considered an NBC.
Some argue that the term "NBC" is not specifically used in Ark or Elg, but these cases revolve around citizenship based on birth on U.S. soil, which is exactly what NBC is. An NBC is a citizen automatically because he was born on U.S. soil. He is “naturally” and automatically a citizen needing no further processing to become a U.S. citizen. He becomes a citizen under “natural” (birth) circumstances, exactly as Elg, Ark, and now Vivek.
He could be in charge of slushies.
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