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To: tlozo
You are correct Ukraine is not the threat to Russia, NATO is, and having a NATO nation with a significant sized border on the Russian western border is too much & too close for comfort.

You're problem is that you only see the evil of the USSR every time you see Russia, and you only see the good when you see the US.

I wish with all my heart that was still the reality, but it is not. Time for you to start seeing the reality yourself. Time for your nation to start building up its own defensive safe guards. The world has broken the US by depending upon us to be their saviors. We can no longer carry that burden alone. You all need to step up to the plate because there are evil forces arrayed against all of us. The threat no longer solely emanating strictly from Russia. In fact, I would say Russia ranks rather low on the threat entity.

Stop jumping at shadows and start seeing what is really the growing threat to all of us. Just to give you a clue, you probably see the major threat as being friends wanting to only doo good deeds. They are not at all. In fact they see you and me as useless consumers of limited resources that only generate more waste & are major contributors to the dreaded boogie man referred to as Climate Change.

You see you & I, along with billions of others on this planet, are the problem as far as they are concerned. Factions within the US & even Russia are now the major problem standing in the way of them creating Nirvana here on planet earth.

Wake up.

28 posted on 06/17/2024 5:51:35 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong
You're problem is that you only see the evil of the USSR every time you see Russia, and you only see the good when you see the US.

Yup don't see any good in the USSR or Putin's attempt to whitewash their history or to revive it.

We clearly have enemies within our country and outside it. Russia, with its thousands of nuclear missiles aimed at us, is clearly an enemy.

30 posted on 06/17/2024 6:23:35 AM PDT by tlozo ( Trump: "As everyone agrees, Ukraine Survival and Strength...is also important to us!" )
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To: Robert DeLong; tlozo
Robert having a NATO nation with a significant sized border on the Russian western border is too much & too close for comfort.

Map in 2020

You already had Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland bordering Russia

And Estonia is far closer to St. Petersburg and Moscow than Kyiv is.

Furthermore, let's look at NATO's map in 2024

Putin has ended up with a LARGER border with NATO - since his actions moved Finland to join

39 posted on 06/17/2024 7:57:20 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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