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If Everyone Voted, Would Biden Benefit? Not Anymore. {15 June 2024}
New York times ^ | 15th June 2024 | Nate Cohn

Posted on 06/15/2024 9:47:50 PM PDT by Cronos

In a reversal of one of the most familiar patterns in American politics, it appears that Donald J. Trump, not President Biden, would stand to gain if everyone in the country turned out and voted.

In New York Times/Siena College polls over the last year, Mr. Biden holds a wide lead over Mr. Trump among regular primary and midterm voters, yet he trails among the rest of the electorate, giving Mr. Trump a lead among registered voters overall.

...early polls suggest, many less engaged and infrequent voters have grown deeply dissatisfied with Mr. Biden.

...Trump has gained among young and nonwhite voters, who are less likely to vote than older white voters. It creates a challenge for the campaigns, who are finding that time-tested strategies for mobilizing irregular voters may not work quite the same way as they did in the past.

...Even if Mr. Trump holds his edge among the disengaged, it’s not clear many of these low-turnout voters will ultimately show up to vote.

But if they do vote, Mr. Trump would stand to gain — something unimaginable for a Republican as recently as a few years ago.

In the Obama era, Democrats’ electoral fortunes seemed to depend on drawing young and nonwhite voters to the polls. The party excelled when Barack Obama helped mobilize that turnout in the presidential years of 2008 and 2012, but was pummeled in the low-turnout 2010 and 2014 midterm elections.

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1 posted on 06/15/2024 9:47:50 PM PDT by Cronos
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“But if they do vote, Mr. Trump would stand to gain — something unimaginable for a Republican as recently as a few years ago.”

Gee. I wonder why?

George H. W. Bush
Bob Dole
George W. Bush
John McCain
Mitt Romney


2 posted on 06/15/2024 10:36:50 PM PDT by Mr. N. Wolfe
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To: Mr. N. Wolfe

How did we end up with such crap candidates?


3 posted on 06/15/2024 11:15:28 PM PDT by nwrep
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This is the source of Likely Voter polls being different.

The definition of Likely Voter varies and excludes people who skip elections.

Note carefully that VBM and early voting captures these votes, which will be Independents and thus difficult to exclude in the count since a given precinct will no longer be predictable.


4 posted on 06/15/2024 11:16:00 PM PDT by Owen (.)
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To: Cronos

Priceless! Trump 24!


5 posted on 06/15/2024 11:27:27 PM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: Mr. N. Wolfe

Mittens is a disingenuous creep. He can retire to his magic planet, Kobalt


6 posted on 06/15/2024 11:29:48 PM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: BigEdLB

I am generally sympathetic to Mormons, but Mittens is a bad example of one. . Sen Lee is a good guy


7 posted on 06/15/2024 11:31:56 PM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: Mr. N. Wolfe

Dole as a person is better than the rest combined. With due credit to HW for his service in WW. II


8 posted on 06/15/2024 11:34:34 PM PDT by BigEdLB
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To: BigEdLB

At a political level, I don’t care if a person is a mormon or, let’s be blunt, an ex philanderer like Trump. What is important is the now and what his/her policies are.


9 posted on 06/16/2024 12:04:58 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: BigEdLB

As far as I can remember, despite him being a literal pillar of the establishment, in his later years I think Bob Dole stayed a strong supporter of President Trump unlike the odious Bush, Cheney, Romney, etc.


10 posted on 06/16/2024 12:38:56 AM PDT by pburiak (You really think we can vote our way out of this? That’s so cute...)
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To: Cronos

For Democrats, this upends their customary mass mobilization strategy.


11 posted on 06/16/2024 1:06:44 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Cronos

Good old Snake Head Carville, while being a truly vile and despicable man, is a truly brilliant pollster and political strategist. Since he is totally amoral and has absolutely no core beliefs he is not swayed by ideology and he is a total realist

He has looked at the numbers and determined that traditional Democrat voter registration and get out the vote scams are going to backfire on Democrats because they mobilize anti Biden voters

Democrats only chance in 2024 is massive election fraud and mobilization of tens of millions of illegal alien voters


12 posted on 06/16/2024 1:23:04 AM PDT by rdcbn1
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To: Cronos

Richard Baris has been pointing out for a long time that while Trump only has a small lead among likely voters, he has a massive lead among all registered voters.

IF Trump can get these voters to the polls, he wins in a landslide. He leads by literally 20 points with the “unlikely” voters. He got a lot of them to come out and vote in 16 and 20.


13 posted on 06/16/2024 1:50:16 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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Perhaps we should have a seperate and robust army of Trump campaign volunteers to register and help these new supporters follow through by voting by mail.or absentee or draggingvthem to the polls in November?


14 posted on 06/16/2024 2:21:26 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (Perhaps the Great Ape Lawgiver in the series Planet of the Apes was correct in his view of humans?)
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This means the campaign must get these voters registered and harvest their votes fir November. All of them.


15 posted on 06/16/2024 2:22:49 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (Perhaps the Great Ape Lawgiver in the series Planet of the Apes was correct in his view of humans?)
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These are actually registered voters. Democrats passing things like motor voter laws in the past could really bite them in the azz in this election. The irony would be delicious.


16 posted on 06/16/2024 2:29:29 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Cronos
What convinced me that Trump can/will really get elected this time and that the crooked dems just cant be crooked enough to steel it again is when crazy nancy pelosi went on MSNBC and pleaded with Trumps family to stage an intervention to stop him from running for president in 2024.

Ok!! This is damm peculiar! I just found this clip of crazy nancy saying the exact same intervention line back in May 2019 here:

https://youtu.be/4xF-rShylnE?t=221

Heres the one from just a couplea days ago:

https://youtu.be/bbSzVMla41Y?t=124

Who tf is programming this chick?
17 posted on 06/16/2024 2:32:03 AM PDT by know.your.why (<>)
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To: desertsolitaire

” should have a seperate and robust army of Trump campaign volunteers to register and help these new supporters follow through by voting by mail.or absentee or draggingvthem to the polls in November?”

Rock the vote


18 posted on 06/16/2024 3:25:57 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: nwrep

“How did we end up with such crap candidates?”

I think what most Americans don’t understand is the USA is a corporation, America Inc. America needs to be run as a business. What we buy, what we produce and sell, how our leadership is organized and the benefits the employees get for being productive are key facets in running a successful business. In addition, how we take care of those employees who cannot contribute due to sickness and other afflictions is also very important and Trump saw that they were taken care of.

This cannot be done with unqualified lifelong government employees who cannot run a lemonade stand and are beholden to outsiders who want to run the country for them. As we have seen time and time again with Democrats who hold public office.

The reason Trump was so successful despite the vast network of opponents who tried to prevent his success at every turn is that Trump treated America like he was the CEO, which meant his company and the employees came first. Because of this, America Inc. flourished. New products came to market, new technologies implemented, new relationships formed and nurtured and each employee reaped the rewards in the form of lower costs to everything. Attacks on America Inc. stopped and new respect was given.

And in three short years, Biden and the Democrats destroyed America Inc.


19 posted on 06/16/2024 4:02:16 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (The media has one job and even with Constitutional protections they cannot do it.)
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To: Cronos

As past elections going back to 1960 have proven, every election sees increased Democrat cheating. 2024 will be no different. They will again count the ballots, boxes and boxes of ballots multiple times.

Cast your vote for whom you wish, but all ballots in critical precincts, that can be counted by Democrats, will be Biden ballots. 120% or better turn out in many Democrat-run precincts, plus 10 million illegals voting nationwide.

Biden in a landslide victory.


20 posted on 06/16/2024 4:31:43 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now its your turn)
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