What's to stop some group from doing so?
Posted on 06/02/2024 7:34:18 PM PDT by pigeoninthepark
Ukraine recognizes both Israel and Palestine, so both states were invited to the Ukrainian 'peace summit', which will take place from June 15 to 16 in Switzerland. This was announced by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the 'Dialogue - Shangri-La' conference in Singapore. According to him, Ukraine is ready to provide humanitarian aid to the residents of Gaza
Original link and article in Ukrainian here:
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2024/06/02/ukraina-sdelaet-vse-chtoby-izrail-ostanovilsia-zelenskii-zaiavil-chto-kiev-priznaet-i-izrail-i-palestinu-news
(Excerpt) Read more at ground.news ...
Israel: we now recognize the new Russian borders.
Ukraine ping
Russia recognized Palestine in 1988. The active assistance of the Muslim world for Russia, combined with Israeli neutrality on Russia’s invasion, may have pushed Ukraine toward this step. 3/4 of the UN’s membership, including a majority of NATO’s membership, recognizes Palestine.
Scam victims could point out that at least the Brooklyn Bridge is an actual real thing—even if they don’t actually own it. What’s the excuse of the nations recognizing a nation that is just a region name and never existed as a nation? Do they also recognize the Moon as a nation?
Ukraine ping
Woodpusher points out that the headline from the source Russian-owned (Gorbachev and Lebedev) website is false, that Zelensky isn’t putting forward a new Ukrainian policy. Ukrainian recognition of Palestine is grandfathered in from the time it was part of the Russian empire back in 1988, when Gorbachev recognized the Palestinian state. Note that the Russians also helped train the original Palestinian terrorist - Yasser Arafat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_the_State_of_Palestine
As of May 2024, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 143 of the 193 member states of the United Nations. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.
The most recent nations to recognize the State of Palestine are Ireland, Norway and Spain.
Ukrainian recognition dates to 19 November 1988. Recognition extended as the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, of which Ukraine is the legal successor. The modern republic continues all “rights and duties pursuant to international agreements of Union SSR which do not contradict the Constitution of Ukraine and interests of the Republic”.]
Thanks. So many people so willing to believe what they *want* to believe.
Ukraine is going to provide aid to Hamas? How can this be since Ukraine “requires” so much money from US taxpayers to keep Ukraine afloat? What corrupt BS!
I pushed the abuse button 🔘 on that one
Don’t know if anybody else did
It's not his recognition. Ukraine has been maintaining diplomatic relations with Palestine, just like 130 or so other countries in the world.
“Palestine is the name of a region. Not a nation. Not a people. Its the name of a region. “
Like it or not but the State of Palestine is recognized by 145 out of 193 UN member states.
It’s a city in Texas.
That UN member states say dumb things do not make the dumb things right.
>>>>I pushed the abuse button 🔘 on that one<<<<
Thank you for performing a service beneficial to all FReepers.
I don’t understand why it was posted.
Palestine?
How does one recognize something that has never existed?
GMTA
Scam victims could point out that at least the Brooklyn Bridge is an actual real thing—even if they don’t actually own it. What’s the excuse of the nations recognizing a nation that is just a region name and never existed as a nation? Do they also recognize the Moon as a nation?
Every piece of earth on the planet goes back to a time when it did not exist as a nation. Darn near every piece has been recognized as part of a nation, with the nation names and borders changing over time. When the United States was recognized as a nation, it had never previously existed as a nation, unless one considers what are called the first nations, the indian nations.
The Palestinian Mandate was solely the creation of the League of Nations. The Arab part has precisely the same claim to fame as the Jewish part. Modern Israel is a creation of the League of Nations.
In 1914, Herbert Samuel (1st Viscount Samuel, First High Commissioner of Mandatory Palestine) provided his memorandum called The Future of Palestine to his Cabinet colleagues. The memorandum stated: "I am assured that the solution of the problem of Palestine which would be much the most welcome to the leaders and supporters of the Zionist movement throughout the world would be the annexation of the country to the British Empire". Samuel spoke about it with Nathan Rothschild in February 1915, just before that Rothschild's death.
Britain enlisted the aid of the Arabs to defeat the Ottoman Empire, but cut a secret deal with France that did not include them. It was actually Arabs who were solicited to fight, and did fight, for the independence of Palestine from the Ottoman Empire, upon a promise of a large region after the war.
The Ottoman Empire, an Islamic caliphate, had ruled the Palestinian area since 1517.
June 1922 The Partition of the Palestine Mandate
https://unispal.un.org/pdfs/Cmd5479.pdf
The Palestine Royal (Peel) Commission Report Cmd. 5479 (pg 38)
(3) The field in which the Jewish National Home was to be established was understood, at the time of the Balfour Declaraion, to be the whole of historic Palestine, and the Zionists were seriously disappointed when Trans-Jordan was cut away from that field under Article 25. This was done, as has been seen, in obedience to the McMahon Pledge, which was antecedent to the Balfour Declaration.
1915-1916 The McMahon-Hussein Correspondence
The McMahon–Hussein Correspondence is a series of letters that were exchanged during World War I in which the Government of the United Kingdom agreed to recognize Arab independence in a large region after the war in exchange for the Sharif of Mecca launching the Arab Revolt against the Ottoman Empire.
It was Arabs who fought to liberate Palestine from the Turkish Ottoman Empire and were promised the land first.
Britain did not own the land before or after WW1. The League of Nations claimed to govern and administer the land. For that purpose, a Brit was chosen as the administrator, serving the League of Nations. The land had first been promised to the Arabs in return for their staging an Arab uprising against the Turks. Lord Balfour subsequently wrote a letter to Lord Rothschild that became known as the Balfour Declaration. It was a personal letter which promised exactly nothing.
The Mandate for Palestine was issued in 1922, and it was not issued on the authority of a British lord, and did not assign all of Palestine to the Jewish people to form a state. The League did not approve Balfour's secret deal with the Rothschilds. The League was quite specific on what it did, and did not, do.
https://www.loc.gov/item/2021666887/
TitleMandate for Palestine and Memorandum by the British Government Relating to its Application to Transjordan.
Summary
After World War I, the Covenant of the League of Nations established a system by which the League was empowered to confer upon certain of the victorious powers mandates to administer territories formerly ruled by Germany or the Ottoman Empire. Mandated territories were to be governed on behalf of the League, until such time as they could become independent. On September 16, 1922, the Council of the League approved a mandate to Great Britain for Palestine, previously part of the Ottoman Empire. The mandate provided for the eventual creation of a Jewish state, as specified in Article 2: "The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of a Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion." Successive articles dealt with Jewish immigration, public administration, access to holy places and religious buildings, public health, commerce, and other matters. Appended to the mandate was a memorandum by the British government, also approved by the Council of the League, stating its understanding that the provisions of the mandate relating to the establishment of a Jewish national home and the promotion of Jewish immigration were not to apply to that portion of the mandated territory known as Transjordan, i.e., territory east of the Jordan River. The texts are in French and English, on facing pages. The mandate is in the archives of the League, which were transferred to the United Nations in 1946 and are housed at the UN office in Geneva. The archives were inscribed on the UNESCO Memory of the World register in 2010.
As for New York, the Dutch scammed Manhattan fair and square for twenty-four dollars worth of wampum. There is even a bill of sale from long before the Dodgers went to L.A., or the Brooklyn Bridge was built. They bought it from the Canarsie indians. Go figure.
It caused a war among the indians, Peter Minuet was recalled, and he was fired.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
A nation is a large type of social organization where a collective identity, a national identity, has emerged from a combination of shared features across a given population, such as language, history, ethnicity, culture, territory or society. Some nations are constructed around ethnicity (see ethnic nationalism) while others are bound by political constitutions (see civic nationalism).
I would not expect the recognition of any lunar nation until the place is populated.
There are no legally recognized nations or countries of the continent of Antarctica which is about 40% larger than Europe.
It will have to be a 7-year plan, though (specifically 2,520 days - 7 - 360 day years - now the “fun” will really get rolling after the first 1,260 days - though it will be very rough right up unto that point)
I survived the population bomb and bent forced to eat soylent green. I survived nuclear winter and global warming. I survived Y2K and 2012. I have even survived the predictions of The Late Great Planet Earth.
TEOTWAWKI sells. In the 1986 paper below, the author rebutted the Hal Lindsey predictions published in 1970. He attributed to prophecy failures to "the error of reading back into biblical prophecies the political situation in 1970. This arbitrary method of interpreting prophecy leads to disappointment, besides undermining confidence in the prophetic messages."
Having been disappointed with not seeing the predicted end of the world since the 50s, I have noted that the predictions are updated regularly in keeping with the times, as the predictions reach their termination date. Each rerun is like Lucy snatching the football away again.
https://digitalcommons.andrews.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4790&context=pubs
Andrews University
Digital Commons @ Andrews University
Faculty Publications
4-24-1986Was the Crystal Ball Cracked: Time is Shattering Hal Lindsey's Predictions
Samuele Bacchiocchi
Andrews UniversityHal Lindsey's 1980s countdown to Armageddon isn't being fulfilled by the rise of a Roman antichrist. We found this out last week in the first part. This week we'll find out if his ideas on rebuilding the Jerusalem Temple fared any better.
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In 1970 Lindsey wrote that with the "talk of rebuilding the great Temple, the most important prophetic sign of Jesus Christ's soon coming is before us."' Now we need to ask, During the past 15 years, what happened to this "most important prophetic sign"?
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Practical Objections. Rebuilding the Jerusalem Temple on its ancient site meets several obstacles. Most seriously, the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the nearby Aksa Mosque are located on the probable ancient Temple site. Judaism would permit only the ancient site for a new temple. So someone would have to remove the Dome of the Rock. Such an action would precipitate an Arab holy war against Israel, besides violating Israel's commitment to respect the sacred sites of all religions.
The prevailing belief among Orthodox Jews that only the Messiah can rebuild the temple constitutes another practical objection. Because they believe that the Messiah has not yet come, Jews do not feel at liberty to rebuild the temple.' Moreover, before they could consider rebuilding it, they would need to accept the notion of reviving animal sacrifices, which most Jews find repulsive.
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Egypt: King of the South. Another key piece of Lindsey's prophetic jigsaw puzzle looks for invasion of Israel by an Arab-African confederacy headed by Egypt, the prophetic king of the south (Dan. 11:40). According to Lindsey's calculations, this invasion will occur during the latter half of the seven-year countdown, immediately after the inauguration of the temple and its profanation by the Roman Antichrist. But it will prove a fatal mistake because the Russians, the king of the north (verse 40), "will double-cross the Arabs, Egyptians and Africans, and for a short while conquer the Middle East."
Basis of Lindsey's Prediction. The leadership role that Egypt enjoyed under Nasser, in whom Lindsey saw the king of the south, inspired this prediction. By interpreting the Libyans ("Phut") and Ethiopians ("Cush") in Daniel 11:43 to be "the black Africans and African Arabs, respectively," he predicted that " 'black African' and 'Arab-African' countries will be involved with Egypt," first in invading Israel and later in suffering defeat at the hands of the Russians.'
The fact that Nasser already suffered poor health in 1970 did not deter Lindsey from predicting that Egypt would become the leader of a "Third World force."'
Since more than 15 years have passed since Lindsey made this prediction, we may ask, Has Egypt become leader of a "Third World force" of Arab and African nations? Has Egypt attempted to organize a Pan-Arab African army to invade Israel? The answer is evident. Lindsey made the error of reading back into biblical prophecies the political situation in 1970. This arbitrary method of interpreting prophecy leads to disappointment, besides undermining confidence in the prophetic messages.
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LOL 🤣
I often see very long posts of why we couldn’t possibly be near anything.
And that’s exactly how so many will be cheering when the ‘Peace and Security’ deal happens. And will simply not understand why it’s a very bad idea 💡.
Best of luck with all that, though.
One day the world 🌎🌏🌍 will get their Two-State Solution.
I AM certain that every single nation in the United Nations will recognize a Palestinian State.
Hope they enjoy the 7 years of ‘Peace and Security’.
ALL of history is a story told by the winners of a fight with another group of people and taking their land.
I highly doubt that human relationships are going to change until Jesus returns.
What's to stop some group from doing so?
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