Posted on 05/23/2024 10:32:50 PM PDT by The Old Hoosier
"The Russians are stubborn and want us to continue fighting...Bro, this war is unwinnable."
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Thank you, Reverend. I believe you are talking of WWII. Russia was invaded during WWII. I mentioned specifically that Russia defeated the invasions of Napoleon and Hitler.
Funny, I mentioned specifically that Russia defeated invasions by Hitler and Napoleon.
But, since you don’t want to read that Russia was defeated in border wars with Japan in 1904, Poland in 1921, etc., you misread what I said about Russia defeating invaders.
Let’s get to the heart of the matter: the U.S. is enormous. We have 11 Nimitz-class aircraft carriers and a bunch of lesser aircraft carriers we call amphibious assault ships. We could lose several and still win a war. Russia, contrariwise, has one aircraft carrier, and it’s been in dry dock for years. Let’s face it, Russia doesn’t have a blue water navy.
Russia cannot project power beyond its immediate frontier. And, even 100 miles from its border, Russia’s logistics breaks down. Hence, Russia wasn’t able to take Kyiv or Odessa in its invasion of Ukraine. Russia is now in a war of attrition with Ukraine with no way to back out other than collapse. Putin is sacking all persons suspected of being disloyal within his government and there are no dissenting voices outside of government.
One of the strengths of a democracy is being able to withdraw from a non-existential war (by reason of change of government). Accordingly, democratic governments can survive losing individual wars. We (the U.S.) lost the Viet Nam war, for example, but won the Cold War of which it was a part. Having won the Cold War, we (as part of NATO) went from rough parity with the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact in population and military strength, to ten times the size in population and four times the military strength.
The war started by Russia attacking and invading Ukraine.
Any other perambulating denial is propaganda supporting communist-Islamo Axis, hence red, pro-communist.
“Russia has never won a war outside its borders either.”
I agree with almost everything you’ve written, but as others have pointed out this is wrong.
Regardless of how Russia got into WW2, Russia did win (with help from the rest of the world). It expanded it’s borders and sphere of influence.
Russia also expanded more or less into Siberia up until almost the 1800’s, Kazakhstan in the mid 1800’s, and was blocked in Afghanistan (by the British) in the late 1800’s.
Looked at from that angle, Russia expanded from the 1500’s up until the mid 1900’s all around its periphery.
True.
You think Russia won WWII.
Moronic.
They did provide cannon fodder.
“ Red6 repeats the same old Russian talking points. As if repetition will somehow make them come true.”
Yes. It’s pathetic.
You know that the US let Russia go in first.
I would agree with you that it is wrong to say Russia never won a war outside its borders, if Russia hadn’t been invaded by Hitler during WWII. But, on June 22, 1941, Germany invaded Russia in Operation Barbarossa. Hence, I distinguished Russia’s victories when being invaded from its loses in border wars beginning in 1904.
The other part of what you said is correct. If you go back far enough, you find that Russia and its predecessor, the Duchy of Moscovy, were variously defeated when invaded, and were successful when invading others.
For a time, Moscovy was a vassal state of the Mongols. Upon the withdrawal of the Mongols from the region, Moscovy, and later Imperial Russia expanded to the east, the south and the west.
To the south and the west, this expansion involved conflicts with the Persians, the Ottomans, and others. To the west, expansion involved conflicts with Sweden, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and others. (The countries I just mentioned were, at the time, quite powerful.)
You are also correct to notice the conflict involved Great Britain in Afghanistan, and also in Crimea. While Imperial Russia was in the process of creating a great, contiguous land-empire; Great Britain was in the process of creating an even greater, non-contiguous maritime-empire, which brought it into conflict with Russia and many other countries at various times. We (the U.S.) are the successor of Great Britain. We are the size of a continent, but - having one face on the Atlantic and another face on the Pacific - we are like a big island. Our interests were at the start, and still are today, peace and free trade with all countries. We have no “natural” enemies. Every country is, at least potentially, our partner in trade, if not our friend and ally.
We need a great President for us to realize our great destiny. With patience and persistence, we can be instrumental in securing peace and human rights for the whole world. Not through empire. Just the opposite. By securing the sovereignty of all nations. This can and should include Russia.
“… the urban warfare was not at all how he imagined it would be.…”
It rarely is.
It’s not a video game.
I’m pretty sure he meant that Russia never won a war on their own outside their borders. In WW2 Germany had been softened up quite a bit by the Brits and Americans before Russian tanks were rolling into Berlin.
“fixed it, froggie”
It’s weird how the Operatives here continue to use TOTALLY DISCREDITED numbers regarding Russian causalities, but it is consistent with their implication that the only reason this war even took place was because Putin woke up on the wrong side of the bed on Feb 24, 2022 and thus decided to start a war.
We have two ships passing in the night.
One side says that Russia was invaded during WWII, and distinguishes wars in which Russia was the country being invaded from wars in which Russia is the country that is the invader. The other side says, and I quote a particular freeper, “Regardless of how Russia got into WW2, Russia did win (with help from the rest of the world).” As written, the “other side,” which disregards whether Russia is being invaded or is the invader, is correct.
I will repeat that the “other side” doesn’t disagree that since 1904, Russia has lost one after another border war (Japan, Poland, etc.), and has several times after these defeats subsequently had an internal revolution.
+450.000 Russians either killed or ravaged
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498.900 latest count; going for 500,000 by the end of next week, with over 1100 a day.
Badly wounded Russian troops on the front are seldom given aid or taken for treatment. Most use grenades to end the suffering.
An excellent point when you add the word “border”. Border wars are very important and, as you point out, Russia has been on the losing side for the past 100+ years.
I get the impression he’s on the ‘expendables’ list as a mercenary
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mercenaries and convicts are use in ‘meat assaults’ [ no armor, no arty prep ]. Their Russian officers do not care about them, and if they refuse, the officer will shoot them on the spot.
Russia won a very important battle against Japan in 1939 that changed the entire course of the war. From that point on, Japan wanted nothing to do with fighting the Soviet Union, and drove them into the arms of Hitler, as they could take advantage of the Nazis overrunning France and the Netherlands, which then opened up Indochina and the Dutch East Indies for the Japs.
The propaganda is getting deep.
Complete nonsense in your first sentence. Before Pooty invaded (this time) there was NO chance of Ukraine getting into NATO. No need to read further.
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