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Amnesty for Illegal Immigrants or Mass Deportations?
Rasmussen Reports ^ | May 20, 2024

Posted on 05/23/2024 10:49:14 AM PDT by george76

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To: george76

Give amnesty and citizenship to all the illegals and then execute all democrats. Fair is fair. /spit


21 posted on 05/23/2024 11:49:08 AM PDT by Flavious_Maximus (Tony Fauci will be put on death row and die of COVID!)
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To: kabar
Being here illegally is a crime, a misdemeanor. If you have been deported previously and return, it is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison. It is illegal to work here for an illegal or for an employer to hire him.

You have described the orderly immigration environment most of us hoped we were living in. But along with rampant and significant election corruption, the enforcement of immigration laws has been corrupted.

My comment above suggests the fact that many "illegals" were transported via Executive Branch directives and provided with settlement resources changes the setting. - i.e., the choice as stated to include amnesty misses the point.

IMO it would be far more effective to just to ask whether the immigration laws you set out ought to enforced.

In that regard, I fully expect the anti-MAGA Biden/Obama Admin (bent on "remaking America") will attempt to bestow with his final act a preemptive pardon on all who may be in the U.S. on his last day in office.

22 posted on 05/23/2024 12:22:13 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Cert's of States allowing noncitizens to vote for fed offices should not be accepted on Jan 6, 2025.)
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To: george76

Only viable solution: M A S S D E P O R T A T I O N


23 posted on 05/23/2024 12:23:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: GreyFriar

At the very least. But, they are criminals. How about some prison time somewhere?

What happens if someone, anyone, sneaks across the border of any other country in the world?

Mebbe ship them to Haiti to help clean up.


24 posted on 05/23/2024 12:26:48 PM PDT by bobbo666 (Baizuo, )
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To: george76

It doesn’t matter they’re all going back.


25 posted on 05/23/2024 12:40:27 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: frog in a pot
In that regard, I fully expect the anti-MAGA Biden/Obama Admin (bent on "remaking America") will attempt to bestow with his final act a preemptive pardon on all who may be in the U.S. on his last day in office.

Unconstitutional. He doesn't have the power any more than he has the power to make DACA recipients citizens. He would be dealing with an entire class of people, which is not possible under existing immigration law. Congress would have to do it in the form of a law. Reagan's 1986 amnesty was the result of a law passed by Congress and signed by the President.

Does the pardon power apply to non-citizen, illegal aliens? Doubt it.

26 posted on 05/23/2024 12:41:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: george76

Amnesty for Illegal = Oxymoron


27 posted on 05/23/2024 12:43:44 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: GreyFriar

Mass deportations by trebuchet!


28 posted on 05/23/2024 12:51:39 PM PDT by MortMan (Charter member of AAAAA - American Association Againt Alliteration Abuse)
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To: george76

no more amnesties for illegals. Every couple decades they amnesty and nothing about our borderS get secured. Trump tried the best in recent years, but joey ruined that in a hurry.


29 posted on 05/23/2024 12:55:57 PM PDT by b4me
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To: george76
It used to be that 70% of Hispanic inmates were. Illiterate n their win language.
30 posted on 05/23/2024 12:59:40 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: combat_boots

In their own


31 posted on 05/23/2024 1:00:38 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: george76

I’ll take Mass Deportations For $100 Alex.


32 posted on 05/23/2024 1:00:54 PM PDT by yuleeyahoo (“Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!” - the deep-state)
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To: frog in a pot; sjmjax
Amnesty

Black's Law Dctionary, 11th ed.

amnesty. n. [16c] 1. A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usu. for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted undocumented aliens already present in the country> • Unlike an ordinary pardon amnesty is usu. addressed to crimes against state sovereignty — that is to political offenses with respect tol which forgiveness is deemed more expedient for the public welfare than prosecution and punishment. Amnesty is usu. general, addressed to classes or even communities. — Also termed general pardon.

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An electronic search indicates the word undocumented does not appear in the Act of 1986. In 1986, undocumented had not yet entered the realm of verbal polution.

https://www.congress.gov/99/statute/STATUTE-100/STATUTE-100-Pg3445.pdf

"Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986".

The Act contains some relevant titles.

TITLE I—CONTROL OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION

"SEC. 274A. (a) MAKING EMPLOYMENT OF UNAUTHORIZED ALIENS UNLAWFUL.—

TITLE V—STATE ASSISTANCE FOR INCARCERATION COSTS OF ILLEGAL ALIENS AND CERTAIN CUBAN NATIONALS

Sec. 501. Reimbursement of States for costs of incarcerating illegal aliens and certain Cuban nationals.


33 posted on 05/23/2024 1:04:39 PM PDT by woodpusher
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To: george76

Deport. If they won’t leave... shoot them as either invading combatants or trespassers.


34 posted on 05/23/2024 1:05:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (A Psalm in napalm...)
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DEPORT-—

LEAVE NO ONE HERE WHO DOESN’T BELONG HERE


35 posted on 05/23/2024 1:20:48 PM PDT by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: george76

Send them back!


36 posted on 05/23/2024 1:21:59 PM PDT by stevio (Fight until you die.)
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To: kabar
Unconstitutional. He doesn't have the power...
That seems a difficult argument. He clearly has the authority to grant a preemptive pardon for crimes yet to be committed.

Does the pardon power apply to non-citizen, illegal aliens? Doubt it.
Noncitizens clearly have U.S. Constitutional protections. Do you think this Admin would hesitate to face a challenge on that issue?

37 posted on 05/23/2024 1:34:06 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Cert's of States allowing noncitizens to vote for fed offices should not be accepted on Jan 6, 2025.)
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To: frog in a pot

This regime is lawless. They even ignore SCOTUS rulings. It is up to the GOP and us to hold them accountable. We have a rogue government.


38 posted on 05/23/2024 1:49:54 PM PDT by kabar
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To: woodpusher
...undocumented had not yet entered the realm of verbal pollution.
"Illegals" is so dehumanizing doncha' know. Much as "involved with unofficial bank withdrawals" is less provocative.

You may have buggered up your cut and paste of Black's definition. It doesn't much matter. The Congress essentially pardons with Acts, while the president does something a lot easier and often more self-serving. [;^)

39 posted on 05/23/2024 2:06:26 PM PDT by frog in a pot (Cert's of States allowing noncitizens to vote for fed offices should not be accepted on Jan 6, 2025.)
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To: frog in a pot
You may have buggered up your cut and paste of Black's definition.

It was not a cut and paste but typing what is in the book. The book used "greater than" and "less than" brackets which caused some content to be interpreted as unprinted invalid html code. I have replaced with curly brackets. Sorry about that.

Amnesty

Black's Law Dctionary, 11th ed.

amnesty. n. [16c] 1. A pardon extended by the government to a group or class of persons, usu. for a political offense; the act of a sovereign power officially forgiving certain classes of persons who are subject to trial but have not yet been convicted {the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act provided amnesty for undocumented aliens already present in the country} • Unlike an ordinary pardon amnesty is usu. addressed to crimes against state sovereignty — that is to political offenses with respect to which forgiveness is deemed more expedient for the public welfare than prosecution and punishment. Amnesty is usu. general, addressed to classes or even communities. — Also termed general pardon.

40 posted on 05/23/2024 3:23:28 PM PDT by woodpusher
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