Posted on 05/19/2024 2:05:49 PM PDT by Mariner
Advocates for the use of US Tactical Missiles (some nuclear capable) to hit Russian targets inside Russia proper.
There's more than one anti American, Ukrainian partisan on this site that supports her position 100%. And they'll be on this thread.
They don't care that it would result in direct war with Russia, as they think they can defeat Russia without burning the world to the ground.
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Are you from Switzerland?
If anyone deserved to be called an “unt with a c” it’s Victoria Nuland.
Are you from Switzerland?
No. Are you from Belgium?
The only thing preventing us from being a party to the conflict is that chooses to ignore our violations of neutrality. I suppose violating neutrality until they shoot at us sounds like a plan to you.
What consequences has the U.S. endured for invading Iraq and Syria (for just two examples)?
“It is in the best interest of the US and every other nation to provide arms so that nations can defend themselves from invasion. “
LUDICROUS, Pollyanna logic.
US interests are served by open commerce between nations. And avoiding war. And low prices for food and energy. And a functioning border.
While it is in the best interests of every western nation to keep America fighting for THEIR interests. But it’s of little, if any benefit to the US.
That’s the way it was portrayed “back home” on the idiot boxes.
The war will end when Ukraine sues for peace and accepts the territorial sovereignty of the Russian speaking territories. It will end when Ukraine signs a treaty that they will NEVER join NATO, or allow NATO forces on their soil. Until then, fight on.
The US and NATO are the aggressors here. WE/THEY agreed to move no closer to Russias borders at the end of the Cold War. WE broke that promise. The entire war is the fault of the West and NATO.
“Nucular combat, toe to toe with the Rooskies!”
Nuke them. Nuke everyone. Everyone but me is a horrible person.
Neocon Hagatha von Nuland said what?
Screw Ruzzia. We should have listened to General Patton and put an end to their evil empire eighty years ago.
‘Operation Unthinkable’
Re: 9 - until each point in the Powell Doctrine can be answered affirmatively, direct US involvement is problematic.
Throw in the triumpherate of MTG, AOC, and Jasmine, and you're ready for a real throwdown.
The question I want answered is, where are the adults? There aren't many on this thread, either.
I have gotten enough attention politically that the surveillance revealed itself to try and scare me off. You have no idea how big “This thing” which has overtaken the government has gotten, nor can you imagine how many Americans it has approached and convinced, they might as well sign on with it and help it take over the US.
Don’t think anyone on here is not a part of the intel op taking things over and running surveillance. Many of the most aggressive partisans on here may not believe a word they write, they are just doing their part for the conspiracy, pushing its narratives.
See my tag, if you want to see your own surveillance. My latest book is entirely free, and it is my most valuable work ever. I believe in the idea of America that much.
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‘It is time’ to help Ukraine hit bases in Russia: Victoria Nuland (a darn video)
ABC via Yahoo ^ | May 19th, 2024 | Victoria Nuland
ABC News’ Martha Raddatz interviews Victoria Nuland on “This Week.”
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/1-1-victoria-nuland-092416461.html
Raddatz
Now by Victoria Newland, former Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs in the Biden administration. Good morning to you. These are the largest gains we’ve seen in Russia, as James just explained, President Zelensky directly blaming the delay of foreign aid. Can they turn this around?
Nuland
I think they can certainly turn this around, Martha, but the six month delay certainly made a difference. The frontline of for Ukraine needs the artillery that we are sending. They need more air defenses, They need to be able to stop these Russian attacks that are coming from bases inside Russia. So I think there’s also a question of whether.We, the United States and our allies ought to give them more help in hitting Russian bases, which heretofore we’ve not been willing to do.
Raddatz
And and do you think they should?
Nuland
I think if the attacks are coming directly from over the line in Russia that those bases ought to be fair game, whether they are where missiles are being launched or where they are, where troops are being supplied from. I think it’s time for that because Russia has obviously escalated this war, including as you said.In the beginning, attacking Russia’s second city, Harkey V, which is not on the front lines, and trying to decimate it without putting food on the ground. So I think it is time to give the Ukrainians more help hitting these spaces inside Russia.
Raddatz
One of the reasons that the administration has hesitated is because they believe it will escalate things.Even further with Russia, pull the US further in. Why not? Why so? Why do you think that’s a good idea?
Nuland
Because it’s Russia that has escalated this war. Russia has learned how to pull its forces back out of the range where we have allowed Ukraine to use our weapons and get our support. So they’re getting a direct advantage in this war from our hesitation and they have escalated massively. As you know, they have flattened 1/3 of Harkey.Without ever having to get on the ground there. So it is time to stop that and help you ukraine push them back.
Raddatz
You have dealt with Vladimir Putin over multiple administrations. When you look at what’s happened here and what he is doing, just just tell us what you think he is up to besides the obvious.And what mistakes we have made with Vladimir Putin.
Nuland
We’re clearly at this point in his life. Vladimir Putin has decided that his legacy is based on restoring at least the Soviet Union, if not a larger empire for for Russia. He is defining greatness for Russia in territorial terms rather than an economic or political.Flower. And he’s willing to sacrifice the future not only of Ukraine and his relationship with the rest of the world, but of the Russian people for this crazy imperial ambition. You know, I think the COVID period when he was in isolation just made him more and more power, paranoid, etcetera, if I had to.Look at one mistake we made. I think we underestimated what he was willing to do to get to this place that he wanted to get to for Russia, which is territorial and not a political or economic
Raddatz
secretary. Blinkins trip to Ukraine certainly sent a message that the US is supporting him.What? What would you say to those Republicans who are still concerned about aid going there, or those Americans who say, look, we have, we have problems at home, why do we need this aid?
Nuland
Well, obviously we have problems at home and we need to support our domestic front and our international front. But this is about more than Ukraine, and this is about more than Vladimir Putin. First of all, if Ukraine cannot survive and thrive, Putin will not stop there. He will walk towards NATO and we will have a much larger.Four, because he will know that he can and we will become directly involved. But also, if you don’t stop Putin here, a guy who has bitten off a piece of a smaller country that was not doing anything to hurt him, then it sends a message to autocrats everywhere that it’s free game to invade your neighbor, etcetera.And that’ll send a message in Asia. It’ll send a message to Iran all around the world. So if the United States wants to lead in this world, if we want to maintain the free and open democratic order that has served us so well, we’ve got to protect it abroad so that we can stay safe at home. And to remind the vast majority of this.Paid for Ukraine is coming right back to US defense industry to build those weapons for us to replace the ones we’re sending to Ukraine. And it provides good jobs in more than 30 states of the United States.
Raddatz
And NATO is now considering sending trainers to Ukraine, but the US has said no to that. Is that the right move?
Nuland
You know, we do a huge amount of training for Ukrainians in NATO territory, in Poland and Germany and other parts of the alliance. It is hard for Ukrainians to come out and come off the front to train. But I worry that NATO training bases inside Ukraine will become a target for Vladimir Putin.And it does directly implicate NATO on the ground, which could, as you worried about earlier, escalate the war in a different direction. And caused Putin to think that NATO territory might be fair game for him. So I think it still makes most sense to do most of the training outside of Ukraine, but to give advice inside Ukraine as the Ukrainians ask for it and needed.
Raddatz
OK, thanks so much for joining us this morning. It’s great to see you, Secretary.
“And what’s wrong with that?”
Nothing for Ukraine.
But it’s contrary to US interests.
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