Posted on 05/12/2024 4:30:37 AM PDT by hardspunned
Several German Bundestag members have approved the idea of Western “cross-border” anti-aircraft units shooting down Russian missiles over Ukraine, according to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung newspaper.
“This would relieve the burden on Ukrainian air defenses and allow them to protect the front line,” Roderich Kiesewetter of the Christian Democratic Union (CDU) argued.
He referred to the US, the UK and France helping Israel repulse Iran’s massive missile attack in April, which Kiesewetter claimed shows that “the involved states do not necessarily have to become ‘warring parties’ to a conflict.”
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No question, for the most part all the fighting has taken place inside of Ukraine, once NATO air defenses in Poland and other surrounding NATO countries get involved and shot down Russian aircraft they become legitimate targets, Russia will respond, and the war is now expanded into NATO countries.
Expect the war rhetoric to ramp up in the next couple of weeks, if any of the reports about Kharkov/Kharkiev are true, the Russians are approaching from multiple directions, if that city is taken reasonably soon, you will start to hear about not only NATO air defenses, but actual ground troops getting involved.
No ground troops will be sent, just advisors (wink, wink, nod, nod). Last Monday that NATO gambit was played and their bluff called. When the US (Jeffries), France (Macron), Poland (Tusk) and Britain (Cameron) were floating the deployment of NATO troops, Russia’s reaction was immediate and unmistakeable. The British and French ambassadors were called in and given ultimatums on nukes and retaliatory strikes in Britain, France and Poland if need be. Both Russia and Belarus went into tactical nuclear mobilization and active drilling as they moved these assets to the theater. All of NATO backed down immediately. The inauguration and 5/9 holiday went off with no hitches. NATO will swallow hard and watch the Uke army collapse.
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hardspunned: [More reckless insanity. The Russians have made it unequivocally clear what will happen to those NATO air defenses if brought to bear in such a way.]
If Russia attacks NATO installations, NATO would, of course, be justified in attacking Russian forces on Ukrainian territory. Given that in Korea and Vietnam, the US did not respond to Russian attacks on US personnel by attacking Russian forces on Russian territory, Russian attacks on NATO territory would invite reciprocal NATO attacks on Russian forces in Russia proper.
Having Germany enter the war directly to support the puppet regime in Kiev would mean its energy infrastructure was fair game and could be attacked and destroyed.
Why would they risk their civilian energy infrastructure like that? 🤔
To be most effective, some incoming would require shooting down over Russian territory, where they are originating, no? And would ones launched from Russian aircraft from inside Russia also need to be downed along with their Russian aircraft, also inside Russia? Would this mean establishing and enforcing a no=fly zone, not only over Ukraine near the front, but inside Russia in at least a buffered border area inside Russia that Putin would use to launch air to ground missiles from? What are the most logical consequences of NATO trying to enforce this from neighboring or regional NATO countries?
I ask in the interest of us all.
It seems European leaders want to get into this fight. And I think Biden will get into this fight before the elections.
All it would take for NATO to go full scale insane is Biden saying ground troops are on the table.
I don’t think that will ever happen, with this group in charge and looking at bleak election polls anything is possible.
Oh yeah, totally the same. The Russians had 750,000 troops within 100 miles of the US forces, the U.S. weaponry had just killed 75,000 Russian troops and Russia was maneuvering their 1000 tactical nukes in Vietnam and threatening to launch attacks on London and Paris. Yeah, this is the same deal! Stop with the comedy. This is serious business.
Is NATO at war with Russia? Depends on what the meaning of “is” is.
No, this won’t end badly at all. /s
Because they are depending on Biden’s Regime to stand up to the Russians if it happens to forestall any retaliatory action by Russia on Europe. They are badly mistaken. Biden can’t even keep his pants clean from dumping out.
Here is an alternative perspective.
NATO is playing a very dangerous game of chicken. All Russia needs to do is to surface and expose ONE Boomer in either the North Sea, in the Atlantic, West of France, or in the Med.
NATO is surrounded by nukes. Go ahead, play chicken with Russia. There is no logical reason to assume a Russian strike would ONLY come from the East!!
The Germans seem ok with their energy infrastructure being destroyed by fellow NATO members, so why not allow Russia to do so as well? Remember Nordstream?
Very different in several ways. One, that was the USSR was a very different entity than Russia. And the war was a proxy war 6000 miles from either of our homes.
Second, this time our proxies are having Brit technicians shoot missiles at targets inside Russia proper. NATO (quit pretending it’s the idiot Ukes) has hit one of their strategic missile radars deep inside Russia. That’s equivalent to someone hitting our DEW radars.
They have hit their Engels nuclear bomber base in Saratov. They have attacked the Kerch Bridge and the German Air Force was just caught on an open zoom call discussing their plans to use German missiles, fired by Germans, to hit Kerch again. The Moskva cruiser sinking was US P-8 Poseidons doing the targeting for British missile crews to conduct an over the horizon attack.
For your analogy to work about Vietnam, Russia would have had to be hitting our DEW line in Alaska, maybe hitting Barksdale and Minot airbases, sinking a US ship in international waters etc.
It’s a foolish game we are playing, and for nothing except globalist power games on behalf of a resurgent nazi country...and of course, our leaders are getting enriched.
This is nothing like Vietnam. And last but not least. The leaders we had then, as bad as they could be, were all light years smarter than ours today.
You put Biden, Sullivan, and Nuland against Nixon, McNamara, and Kissinger? Put any leader today against childless Macron, childless Boris Johnson, Childless Olaf Sholtz, senile Joe Biden, etc.
No comparison.
These clowns are horny for war. They have wanted war with Russia for two decades at least. And now the EU gnats think they are going to be able to take the Russians down.
They have successfully got us into a new cold war at the moment our economy is collapsing. And these clowns could actually miscalculate and get nuked. They won’t stop until forced to.
I wonder if both sides US/Russia have the ability to always know where all of the others Nuke subs are at all times? And if they do is there ability to destroy them in a moment before they can launch their deadly missiles? Seems doubtful. If those missiles have multiple independently targeted warheads on each one, just one sub could have catastrophic destructive capability. M.A.D. indeed.
Are you seriously suggesting we try to enforce a no-fly zone **inside Russia**? You do know that means SEAD attacks on Russian sites and attacking Russian planes inside Russia?
I mean, I don’t really care, I live far away from any juicy nuclear targets like DC and am very reasonably out of the downwind zones of others. But how do you think we would respond if in Russia started enforcing a no-fly zone over the continental US?
Do you people even hear the things you say?
You have a point...I'd forgotten the German word for lemming is Scholz.
“They won’t stop until forced to.“
That goes for what they’re doing in America to America…
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