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To: Fury; RockyTx

Fury, as of today, 23rd April 2024, there is close to zero (but not zero) chance of all of Ukraine being lost due to Russian military advances.

There is a very low to zero chance for anything west of the Dnieper being lost to Russia - that chance ended when the Russians lost the battle of Hostomel Airport.

So, your question is more “If Ukraine is in danger of losing the territory that Russia already holds in the Donbas or a little more, do you ....”

And you’ve given a limited number of options - which are strawman arguments.

The ideal scenario is/was for Ukraine to have retained control of all of its pre-Feb 2022 territory or even pre-2014 sans Crimea. That is a low possibility at this stage.

Right now, for Ukraine to survive, what is needed and was done, was a show of support.

Russia needs to be convinced to leave Ukraine alone for the next few decades (that is a come down from my earlier hope that it could be longer)


19 posted on 04/23/2024 4:20:31 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

Thanks for the reply.

I don’t believe those are straw man arguments, as they were based on the hypothetical I noted.


29 posted on 04/23/2024 5:11:48 AM PDT by Fury
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To: Cronos

In about a year or two, you need to come back with your hat in hand and appologize for your igornance. Zero chance of Russia taking more land from Ukraine?

Russia is going impose a solution that is beyond the capacity of the White House of fools and wokesters ability to comprehend. Chicago politics might play to a domestic audience, but on the World Stage the Chicago Wing of the DNC are mere pikers compared to actual politics.

This branch of the DNC has tried to impose it’s will and corruption upon on Russia since 2008/09. Emboldened in 2012 with Obama’s re-election in hand they overthrew the legally elected government of Ukraine. Then those installed sold all Ukraine’s wealth and assets for pennies on the dollar. Blackrock is 300B underwater with no prospect of getting a return.

This war with Russia was always about extending America’s political will and financial reach, but alas they fooled themselves with Martial Law in Ukraine - Zelenski is a lame duck and after 21 May 24 he will be a dictator and those 60 American Advisors are mostly a security detail to prevent assassination; Zelenski (MARK MY WORDS) will not be spending much time in Ukraine after 20 May.... My money is on a missile strike taking him out.

After 21 May, those fighting Ukraine say by international law that they have no one in Ukraine with which to hold any negotiations.


65 posted on 04/23/2024 9:02:54 AM PDT by Jumper
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