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To: Petrosius

Ahhh,

You have “sovereignty” as your argument, got it.

So how is Ukraine under our thumb any more sovereign?

Who do you think picked most the key leaders in Ukraine?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/feb/07/eu-us-diplomat-victoria-nuland-phonecall-leaked-video https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

What does it mean when a US bank (JPMC) and asset holding company (Blackrock) runs your nations finances?

How about when a US VP years ago “demands” that Ukraine fire one of their top state prosecutors (because he was getting to close for comfort with some of the deals the Biden’s had made), and then comes back home and brags about it. I have got to post this, it’s “epic:” https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/

“Sovereignty” what exactly does that mean to you? US control is sovereign, Russian control is oppression?


2014 was the key date, even the Maiden was orchestrated by us and we basically admit to that. That is when the US took control an began to “purge” Russian influence in Ukraine.

Roughly 20% of the population in Ukraine is ethnic Russian, they were major trade partners, ~ 1/3 of the people have family of some sort in the other nation, at various times what today is Ukraine once was Russia, they border each other, (((and how exactly do we come into the picture?)))

Russia can’t keep up with our MSM, big tech, the over $5 billion spent just by the Department of State in Ukraine up until 2014, our so called NGO’s, CIA, NSA, foreign aid, military assistance, even our private sector which gets cleared and basically coordinated through the State Department and DoD. In 2014 we essentially took over Ukraine.


If there were even the smallest shred of truth behind your argument, we would have gotten behind Minsk, which was all about deescalation and getting all foreign combatants / influence out of Ukraine. But we were the first one to violate it, in fact, before, during it’s signing, and after. We had no intentions on a peaceful resolution.

Since you likely don’t know what Minsk was: https://www.unian.info/politics/1043394-minsk-agreement-full-text-in-english.html


22 posted on 03/11/2024 1:13:02 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Red6; Fred Nerks

This is the accurate history that every American should know about Ukraine.

Thank you for posting it.

What happened with the Minsk Accords is a travesty.

IN fact, this is an Obama based violation of Minsk.

The way I look at it Obama unleashed demographic warfare with his Arab Soring campaign, pointed at the soft underbelly of Russia and Ukraine. Millons of Muslims were o the march NOrth, but Putin was having none of it.He seized Crimea to prevent the huge migration of Muslims into Russia and Ukraine, thereby diverting the masses of Muslim refugees to attempt other means of entering Western Europe rtaher than Eastern Europe.

Putin powed Obama repeated ly for the fascist that Obama was...BIden continues this foolery by subjugating Ukraine economically and violated the Minsk accords in a continuation of Obaa;s anti Russia policy, IN fact the Obama Dems and their lefty Marxist supporters made a false boogie man oout of Russia.

I do not support the expansionist wet dreams of Putin, but the fact is that Obama and Biden created this mess by violating the Minsk accords.NOw Biden will not truly allow Ukrauie t9i defend itself, sending meere trickles of ordance to Ukrauine , creating a staoemate in the DOnbas and assuring war for years to come, if not a nuclear war. In addition Obama/Biden’s violation of the Minsk Accords
cryuatalized an anti westren axis of China, Iran,Russia and NOrth Korea, with Oran soon to have buclear weapons.

This is waht these liberal fascists like CLinton, Obama, Biden, Jake Sullivan and Anthony Blinken have done. They have put EUrpe and America on the path to war and niw we must face it by increasing US military spending .

America is not stuoid...why do yiou think recruitihg is down, who wants to die in the Donbas next to a couple of transgender queers in an adjacent fox hole corn holing each other?

Its time to oust these leftist idiots we have and get back to preserving world peace through deterrance.Then is we have to fight, well at least we will have been prepared.


49 posted on 03/12/2024 3:05:37 AM PDT by Candor7 (Ask not for whom Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=300</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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