Posted on 03/11/2024 5:06:45 AM PDT by McGruff
"He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war. That is why the war will end," the conservative premier said after meeting Mr Trump in Florida.
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"It is obvious that Ukraine cannot stand on its own feet," Mr Orban told Hungary's M1 TV channel late on Sunday.
"If the Americans don't give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, then the war is over. And if the Americans don't give money, the Europeans alone are unable to finance this war. And then the war is over."
He added that Mr Trump had "pretty detailed plans" on how to end the Russia-Ukraine war - but did not elaborate.
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This thread is drawing out zeepers like crazy!
Same thing most all of us want, except for a certain group around here that will always vote for Biden.
The faggot Leaf wants all dead.
Yes and that is why I like Trump much better. He is smarter by orders of magnitude than Reagan who never ran a lemonade stand and made profit. Top O’Neill played Reagan like a drum, tripling federal spending in 8 years.
We should never have entered the conflict in the Ukraine in the first place. I understand the desire to stop Russian transgression, and to some extent I agree, but because the Ukraine directly borders Russia, I get why Russia is flipping out about our involvement. We had the same reaction, in the 1960’s, over Cuba.
Nonetheless, in what I consider a gross error in judgement, we are involved now. I don't think we can completely cut off aid, and there is a bittersweet fact that has been realized from our actions: Russia is a paper tiger, a military that has been hollowed out by corruption and negligence.
This is a bittersweet realization because, while it comforts the West — we now know we can easily defeat them — it also encourages China to act against Russia in the future. Siberia is a very attractive prize to seize, rich in resources, should China decide to act in the future.
“Same thing all of us want.”
Incorrect. More than a few want Ukraine destroyed and make no secret of it. I know a couple of Ukrainians and they’re fine people. They’re sad and angry about what’s been done to their country and I don’t blame them for that one single bit. I know people who lost family members in The Holdomor and to the Gulags. They hate Russians with a totally understandable passion.
The jerkoffs around here who have been openly cheering Putin disgust me. He’s no good guy and he’s not the Guardian of Western civilization. He’s a murderous criminal thug.
That doesn’t mean I’m a fan of Zelenski, either. The only way he differs from Putin is in scale. They’re both crooks and killers.
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“September 21, 1982
By the President of the United States of America
A Proclamation
The spontaneous formation on November 9, 1976, in Kiev, Ukraine, of the Ukrainian Public Group to Promote the Implementation of the Helsinki Accords affirmed once more that the human spirit cannot be crushed and that the desire for human freedom cannot be conquered.
The long prison terms meted out to members of the Ukrainian Helsinki Monitoring Group for their courageous activities to secure greater freedom in Ukraine are graphic testimony to the inability of Communism to compete with the principles of freedom in the marketplace of ideas. The flagrant persecution and imprisonment of Ukrainian citizens for their attempts to exercise basic human rights is an international embarrassment to the Soviet Union and proof that the Soviet Union has failed to live up to its pledges to honor the understandings embodied in the Helsinki Accords.
In commemorating this sixth anniversary of the founding of the Ukrainian Helsinki Monitoring Group, we renew our determination never to forget the valiant struggle of the peoples of Ukraine for their inalienable rights, and we pledge to do all we can to ameliorate the plight of those Ukrainians who have been persecuted by the Soviet authorities for attempting to assert their rights.”
With Trump in power, he will negotiate so that Ukraine will still have most of it’s country intact. The nation will exist as a sovereign, mostly European friendly state, but remain outside the EU NATO orbit. The USA will help them rebuild and so will Russia.
Otherwise, if the Deep State globohomos allow Quisling Puppet Biden another term, Ukraine will lose ALL of its territory and be annexed in it’s entirety into Greater Russia. It WILL become a vassal state, obedient to Mother Russia.
These are the ONLY two choices.
Misplaced optimism and dedication to a futile cause are no reason to shovel borrowed money into a project that will fail regardless. I’m not seeing how Ukraine prevails here with what is currently even possibly available to it, if it were willing to be given. Unless there is an angle I’m not seeing (beyond naked corruption and greed), it seems to be a numbers thing of demographics and ability to produce and procure men and equipment in sufficient quantities. Add that Russia seems determined to ignore the pain and cost of its invasion to achieve whatever long term goals are there for them.
I would argue that if crude was pumped, shipped and sold in much larger quantities by the West, that world price per bbl would drop below what Russia needs to sell it for to continue their war, but I am not at all sure there is will to do so and the timeline for it to have effect is uncertain as well.
Saying he has a plan and saying what the plan is are not the same. This is not a TV show, this is not about ratings or generating buzz. Trump has not given out any details of his plan. As much as people want to hear this, Trump needs to spell out what his plan is for himself.
Their country? Tell them that once they come to America, their country is America, not the Ukraine. We're in a fight here and could use their help.
The Ukraine is actively seeking girls to fight Russians. It's finally time for you to pack up your panty drawer and head on over.
This is’nt 1984 and you are not an American.
I am going to say this one more time. I do not like this proxy war ignited purposely by Biden. He dumped on the troops and people that helped us in Afghanistan. He got soldiers killed and he left over 80 billion in weaponry behind because he was in a huirry to get it going in Ukraine.
The neocons knew that wanting to park it on the Russian border in Ukraine was going over the red line. The US has been meddlng in that country since it became it’s own country for just this time.
I think it is disgusting that Ukrainians are being used to further a US/NATO desire. I have nothing against those people. They do not even get a vote to get rid of Zelensky and vote for someone who will end it.
I am aware of who Putin is. I am also aware that he is a moderate compared to a lot of them in that country. Replacing him may get someone far worse.
I think yours is an accurate take on things.
The Europeans collectively are much bigger than the United States as well.
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