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Judge in Trump civil fraud case denies request to delay $355 million penalty
foxnews ^ | February 22, 2024 | Bradford Betz

Posted on 02/22/2024 1:56:32 PM PST by Bobbyvotes

A New York judge presiding over former President Donald Trump’s civil fraud case has denied his legal team’s request to avoid paying a $355 million penalty in the case.

Trump lawyers had asked Judge Arthur Engoron to delay enforcement of the payment by 30 days to allow time for an "orderly post-judgement process."

James said Monday she was prepared to seize former President Donald Trump's assets if he is unable to pay the massive judgment handed down in his civil fraud case.

Trump's promised appeal is likely to halt collection of his penalty while the process plays out.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arthurengoron; communistic; engoron; engoronthemoron; kangaroocourt; trump
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To: Reverend Wright

Red state prosecutors should seek out relatives of liberal judges and prosecutors that are playing this game and go criminal and civil against them.


41 posted on 02/22/2024 4:22:37 PM PST by Mark (DONATE ONCE every 3 months-is that a big deal?)
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To: Bobbyvotes

One more example of why nothing short of a hot war has any hope of fixing what ails this once-great nation.

It seems obvious to me America is about to collapse. I think when it happens most people will look back and say, “Yeah. We should have seen it coming.”

Normalcy bias.


42 posted on 02/22/2024 4:31:59 PM PST by unlearner (I, Robot: I think I finally understand why Dr. Lanning created me... ;-)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice
"We all know damn well that NY won’t be able to refund anything WHEN he prevails"

Yeah you guessed it, THIS MONEY WILL GO TO CLOTHE, FEED AND HOUSE ILLEGAL ALIENS.

43 posted on 02/22/2024 4:36:10 PM PST by CivilWarBrewing (Get off my back for my usage of CAPS, especially you snowflake males! MAN UP!)
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To: hanamizu

Imagine if Trump said, f*** it, and opened his hotel up to illegals and homeless, then wrote it off as charity.


44 posted on 02/22/2024 4:39:58 PM PST by Toespi ( )
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To: Mark

In case you hadn’t noticed, Red State elites don’t do anything against the Regime except make speeches and raise money.

They are not an opposition.

They are a gatekeeping and containment outfit to prevent an actual effective opposition.


45 posted on 02/22/2024 4:40:18 PM PST by Reverend Wright ( Everything touched by progressives, dies !)
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To: MrRelevant

How do we get rid of NYC and DC local politicians??


46 posted on 02/22/2024 6:00:06 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

It’s getting to the point where we may need a military coup to get the country back and reestablish the democratic process. I know it’s unthinkable but that may be the last resort.


47 posted on 02/22/2024 6:00:53 PM PST by libh8er
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To: libh8er

We are a lawless country already. An unconstitutional lawless non-republic.


48 posted on 02/22/2024 6:04:41 PM PST by libh8er
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To: silent majority rising

It has happened. I can only hope so.


49 posted on 02/22/2024 6:05:22 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Bobbyvotes
I'm trying to piece together the various positions on this case so that I can understand the issues being debated.

I'll start by posting the exact law in question:

SECTION 63 General duties

12. Whenever any person shall engage in repeated fraudulent or illegal acts or otherwise demonstrate persistent fraud or illegality in the carrying on, conducting or transaction of business, the attorney general may apply, in the name of the people of the state of New York, to the supreme court of the state of New York, on notice of five days, for an order enjoining the continuance of such business activity or of any fraudulent or illegal acts, directing restitution and damages and, in an appropriate case, cancelling any certificate filed under and by virtue of the provisions of section four hundred forty of the former penal law or section one hundred thirty of the general business law, and the court may award the relief applied for or so much thereof as it may deem proper. The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions. The term "persistent fraud" or "illegality" as used herein shall include continuance or carrying on of any fraudulent or illegal act or conduct. The term "repeated" as used herein shall include repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person. Notwithstanding any law to the contrary, all monies recovered or obtained under this subdivision by a state agency or state official or employee acting in their official capacity shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law.

In connection with any such application, the attorney general is authorized to take proof and make a determination of the relevant facts and to issue subpoenas in accordance with the civil practice law and rules. Such authorization shall not abate or terminate by reason of any action or proceeding brought by the attorney general under this section.

I bolded what I believe is the relevant phrases to this debate around this case.

  1. As I understand it, this law is a consumer protection law intended to protect the people from predatory scammers (e.g., phone scams, "found money" scams, IRS scams, computer lockout scams, false warranty scams, false billings scams, etc.). It was never intended to be interpreted to apply to negotiations between two business entities.

    That is why there is language about "in the name of the people," "restitution and damages," "award the relief," "schemes, deceptions, false representations," and most importantly " repetition of any separate and distinct fraudulent or illegal act, or conduct which affects more than one person." This would clearly indicate that the law was targeted to phone bank operations, door-to-door scammers, etc., who run the same scheme on person after person after person.

    We used to call them "flimflam artists."

  2. Regarding its application to the Trump businesses and his bankers, the law refers to "restitution and damages." Obviously, one would have to identify the damages, and determine who are the damaged parties to get restitution.

    For this law to apply to Trump, the meaning of the law would have to be turned upside-down: Trump becomes the predator, the banks become the scammed, and there has to be a pattern of repeated schemes to damage multiple banks via fraudulent misrepresentations. In order to accomplish this, it would have to be proven that:

    1. Trump was performing a "scheme" on the banks and was not following accepted business practices relevant to the industry or business sector.

    2. The banks were, in fact, scammed into losing money.

    3. The banks can identify the amount of damage and can be made whole via restitution.

  3. Regarding "directing restitution and damages," the law references all monies "shall be subject to subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law." Let's take a look at the referenced section.

    11. (a) Notwithstanding any other law to the contrary and except as provided by paragraph (b) of this subdivision, no state agency or a state official or employee acting in their official capacity, may pay out or otherwise disburse funds obtained as the result of a judgment, stipulation, decree, agreement to settle, assurance of discontinuance, or other legal instrument resolving any claim or cause of action, whether filed or unfiled, actual or potential, and whether arising under common law, equity, or any provision of law, except pursuant to an appropriation. Such funds shall not be retained by any state official, employee, or agency in any fund held in the sole custody of a state agency for a period of more than thirty days but shall, consistent with section seven of article seven of the state constitution be deposited in the state treasury, or fund under its management as may be directed by statute or as otherwise directed by the comptroller with the concurrence of the director of the budget.

    (b) Paragraph (a) of this subdivision shall not apply to (1) moneys to be distributed to the federal government, to a local government, or to any holder of a bond or other debt instrument issued by the state, any public authority, or any public benefit corporation; (2) moneys to be distributed solely or exclusively as a payment of damages or restitution to individuals or entities that were specifically injured or harmed by the defendant's or settling party's conduct and that are identified in, or can be identified by the terms of, the relevant judgment, agreement to settle, assurance of discontinuance, or relevant instrument resolving the claim or cause of action;

    [skip]

    As a consumer protection law, paragraph (b) of subdivision eleven of section four requires that the judgement against Trump must be distributed as "payment of damages or restitution to individuals or entities that were specifically injured or harmed" as stated in 63(12) above. Who are these people? Has Letitia James identified who receives the restitution from the $350 million judgement?

    If James cannot identify the recipients of the judgement, it is because the law was misapplied and twisted into unrecognizability. I would argue that the fine of $350 million violates New York state law because subdivision eleven of section four of the state finance law prohibits the Attorney General from using this money for any other purpose than as restitution as a result of this judgement.

-PJ

50 posted on 02/22/2024 6:08:31 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: MrRelevant

How do we get rid of NYC and DC local politicians??


51 posted on 02/22/2024 6:12:23 PM PST by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

Trump said recently that success will be the best revenge. If so, then seeing this little bitch thrown into a cell at GITMO is a close second.


52 posted on 02/22/2024 6:40:23 PM PST by mbrfl
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To: Political Junkie Too

The premise of this case is flawed.

It is alleged that Trump inflated the value of his properties, in particular was the 18 acres comprising Mara Lago. Letitia James used the Florida property tax rolls as proof. Trump claimed Mara Lago was worth over $1 billion. The Florida appraisal district said it was worth $18 million.

Who was right?

Trump was.

When he bought Mara Lago, it was a private residence. Residential lots are valued at the highest rate for tax purposes.

When he converted Mara Lago to a club and designated acres as parks and a golf course, the property tax appraisal dropped to one of the lowest valuations for tax purposes (aka common area).

The land did not change; what the land was being used for did.

All he needed to do to shoot the property valuations back to the highest rate was a hearing before the appraisal district to change the land use designation back to residential lots and Mara Lago would be worth $1.8 to $2 billion easily on the property tax rolls.

James knew this. The judge knew this. The banks knew this.

The Judge issued a summary judgment of guilt against Trump without allowing any evidence refuting the underlying claim.

This is BS on a gargantuan level.


53 posted on 02/22/2024 10:31:08 PM PST by TheWriterTX (🇺🇸✝️🙏🇮🇱)
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To: Bobbyvotes

I believe boa is hqd in ny.
Plenty of good Midwest banks out there like Huntington.


54 posted on 02/22/2024 10:33:38 PM PST by inchworm (al )
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To: bankwalker

No.


55 posted on 02/22/2024 10:35:06 PM PST by inchworm (al )
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To: TheWriterTX
I agree.

-PJ

56 posted on 02/23/2024 12:20:41 AM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: TheWriterTX

This miscarriage of justice should pay Trump big in the lawsuit. If it is proven that it was an attempt to sabotage a political campaign, it should break the bank of the New York government. Letitia James will not know what hit her.


57 posted on 02/23/2024 12:50:12 AM PST by jonrick46 (Leftniks chase illusions of motherships at the end of the pier.)
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To: Toespi

I don’t think Trump has control of his property in N.Y. It has been effectively stolen by the state.


58 posted on 02/23/2024 9:00:46 AM PST by hanamizu ( )
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